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MoosePileit 07-06-2009 09:23 AM

Ryanair standing room only?
 
Ryanair to make passengers stand - Telegraph

The low-cost airline would charge passengers less on "bar stools" with seat belts around their waists.

Michael O'Leary, the chief executive, has already held talks with US plane manufacturer Boeing about designing an aircraft with standing room.

A Ryanair spokesman told the newspaper: "If they approve it, we'll be doing it."

Mr O'Leary is reported to have got the idea from the Chinese airline Spring, which has put forward similar plans. It estimates space could be made for up to 50 per cent more passengers and costs could be cut by 20 per cent.

It is not the first time Ryanair has come up with a controversial proposal for cutting costs. Earlier this year Mr O'Leary suggested passengers could be charged £1 to use the on-board lavatories.

In an interview on BBC television he said that the low-cost airline was looking at the possibility of installing a coin slot on the lavatory door so that "people might actually have to spend a pound to spend a penny."

Mr O'Leary also considered introducing a "fat tax" for overweight passengers.

elcid79 07-06-2009 08:56 PM

I Hope This Doesnt Actually Get Approved.
 
Airline May Introduce Standing Room Only Section - Travel - FOXNews.com


They only thing that I can say is, wow ryan air wow..

mmaviator 07-07-2009 12:33 AM

I'm sure people will fly on these planes. could you imagine hitting turbulence and a domino type of situation happens. thinking of this is giving me heart burn and some other things I can't say.

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 07-07-2009 01:37 AM

Yeah, apparently managers at one of the Chinese airlines have been researching it for a year or so and their Ryanair counterparts thought it was a great idea...

I'm glad Ryanair didn't implement their 'coin operated' airplane restrooms but they might do it one day anyways... :eek:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html?ITO=1490

stoki 07-07-2009 11:43 AM

Ryanair proposes standing room.
 
ATW Daily News

Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary found himself in the headlines again yesterday after telling Sky News "We might take out the last five or six rows [of seats] and say to passengers, 'Do you want to stand up? If you do, you can travel for free'."


O'Leary said he has asked Boeing to look at converting or producing aircraft with "vertical seating" and asked, "Why is this any different to what happens on trains where you see thousands of people who cannot get a seat standing in the aisles?"


A spokesperson confirmed to Agence France Presse that Ryanair and Boeing are in discussions "in relation to adapting the aircraft to allow people to travel in vertical seating." They "wouldn't be fully standing. They would have something like a stool to lean on or to sit on." The same spokesperson told the Daily Mail, "It's really early days but we're looking at a 20%-30% increase in passengers on commuter routes."


Ryanair has not yet sought approval from aviation authorities. It credited Shanghai-based LCC Spring Airlines for the idea. A Spring spokesperson reportedly told China Central Television that it plans to submit its plan to regulators this year and that "it's just like bar stools. The safety belt is the most important thing. It will still be fastened around the waist." Spring President Wang Zhenghua said the country's Vice Premier, Zhang Dejiang, "suggested that for a lower price, passengers should be able to get on a plane like catching a bus, with no seat, no luggage consignment, no food, no water, but very convenient."


Separately, Ryanair last week announced it will open its 33rd base at Porto in September with two based aircraft and new service to Basel, Eindhoven, St. Etienne and Tours. It currently serves 12 destinations from the airport and will offer 50 weekly flights this fall. It expects to carry 1.5 million passengers through OPO per year. It also added a third and fourth 737-800 to its Bristol base and launched 11 new routes Friday. New destinations comprise Limoges, Toulon, Montpellier and Perpignan, Trieste, Rimini, Cagliari, Malta, Alicante, Barcelona Reus and Seville.


The LCC carried 5.8 million passengers in June, up 13% from the year-ago month. Load factor rose 1 point to 82%.
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For those who don't know Ryanair is a Irish LCC which operates and has bases throughout Europe.

They look to cut costs everywhere imaginably possible to lower fares.

Treat their pilots like sh!t.

acl65pilot 07-07-2009 12:12 PM

Well actually he was not the first. An airline in China proposed this a week or two ago.

buzzpat 07-07-2009 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoki (Post 640860)
ATW Daily News

Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary found himself in the headlines again yesterday after telling Sky News "We might take out the last five or six rows [of seats] and say to passengers, 'Do you want to stand up? If you do, you can travel for free'."


O'Leary said he has asked Boeing to look at converting or producing aircraft with "vertical seating" and asked, "Why is this any different to what happens on trains where you see thousands of people who cannot get a seat standing in the aisles?"


A spokesperson confirmed to Agence France Presse that Ryanair and Boeing are in discussions "in relation to adapting the aircraft to allow people to travel in vertical seating." They "wouldn't be fully standing. They would have something like a stool to lean on or to sit on." The same spokesperson told the Daily Mail, "It's really early days but we're looking at a 20%-30% increase in passengers on commuter routes."


Ryanair has not yet sought approval from aviation authorities. It credited Shanghai-based LCC Spring Airlines for the idea. A Spring spokesperson reportedly told China Central Television that it plans to submit its plan to regulators this year and that "it's just like bar stools. The safety belt is the most important thing. It will still be fastened around the waist." Spring President Wang Zhenghua said the country's Vice Premier, Zhang Dejiang, "suggested that for a lower price, passengers should be able to get on a plane like catching a bus, with no seat, no luggage consignment, no food, no water, but very convenient."


Separately, Ryanair last week announced it will open its 33rd base at Porto in September with two based aircraft and new service to Basel, Eindhoven, St. Etienne and Tours. It currently serves 12 destinations from the airport and will offer 50 weekly flights this fall. It expects to carry 1.5 million passengers through OPO per year. It also added a third and fourth 737-800 to its Bristol base and launched 11 new routes Friday. New destinations comprise Limoges, Toulon, Montpellier and Perpignan, Trieste, Rimini, Cagliari, Malta, Alicante, Barcelona Reus and Seville.


The LCC carried 5.8 million passengers in June, up 13% from the year-ago month. Load factor rose 1 point to 82%.
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For those who don't know Ryanair is a Irish LCC which operates and has bases throughout Europe.

They look to cut costs everywhere imaginably possible to lower fares.

Treat their pilots like sh!t.

Pretty soon, we'll be paying our pax to fly on us. Wait,......, maybe we already are.

deltabound 07-07-2009 12:20 PM

Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary says a lot of things, like charging for in-flight restroom use and no checked bags allowed. Oh, then there's the not-for-mixed company suggestion he made regarding some extra "services" that should be offered to some male passengers.

The man knows how to generate free press, and that's a fact.

Jack Bauer 07-07-2009 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deltabound (Post 640889)
Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary says a lot of things, like charging for in-flight restroom use and no checked bags allowed. Oh, then there's the not-for-mixed company suggestion he made regarding some extra "services" that should be offered to some male passengers.

The man knows how to generate free press, and that's a fact.

He's a moron and from a pilots perspective guys like this only stand to prostitute our profession more.

Tony Nelson 07-07-2009 03:00 PM

I agree, this guy is a moron. Hopefully our FAA would never even consider allow this to happen here.

Avroman 07-07-2009 03:05 PM

So now we can go from 10 pound meat missles to 200 pound meat missles... Hmmm, this could be fun.

Boomer 07-07-2009 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 641033)
So now we can go from 10 pound meat missles to 200 pound meat missles... Hmmm, this could be fun.

Maybe we could get more people in if they dangle from the ceiling in a harness?

captjns 07-08-2009 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 640879)
Well actually he was not the first. An airline in China proposed this a week or two ago.

No... Ryanair put this idea was on the table about 2 years ago.

captjns 07-08-2009 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoki (Post 640860)

For those who don't know Ryanair is a Irish LCC which operates and has bases throughout Europe.

They look to cut costs everywhere imaginably possible to lower fares.

Treat their pilots like sh!t.

Maybe so... but their first officers are making more money than captains flying for US carriers.

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 07-08-2009 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captjns (Post 641278)
No... Ryanair put this idea was on the table about 2 years ago.

Actually, O'Leary himself has said he got the idea from the Chinese airline Spring...

I must say that I love his "fat tax" idea! :D
So many airlines here in the US would be awash with money if we charged by the pound! ;)


Irish airline Ryanair considers aircraft with standing room, pay toilets

July 8, 12:26 PM

Irish airline Ryanair’s Chief Executive Michael O’Leary is making headlines once again with his recent proposal to allow some of its passengers to stand during flights. No, this is not a joke or publicity stunt from Mr. O’Leary, as he has been known to suggest other non-conformist ideas that have now been implemented by airlines around the world.
Initial talks about “standing room only” passengers have already been held with Boeing about designing an aircraft that includes both seated travelers and standees. Approval has also been requested from the Irish Aviation Authority before any aircraft with this capability would be ordered. The low-cost airline has also proposed lower prices for passengers who sit on bar stool type aircraft seats with seat belts around their waists.

Apparently Mr. O’Leary got the idea from a Chinese airline named Spring, which first came up with the idea.

Spring estimates that costs would be reduced by 20 percent if standing room was allowed on their aircraft, and they could accommodate up to 50 percent more passengers. Do bear in mind however that this is the same Michael O’Leary who earlier this year commented that passengers could be charged to use the aircraft lavatories. At the time he said that Ryanair was looking into the possibility of having a coin slot installed on the aircraft’s restroom doors so that passengers might actually have to pay to use the facilities. How far the airline has gone toward implementation of this proposal internally isn’t known.
Another suggestion from Mr. O’Leary was the introduction of a “fat tax” for overweight passengers.

Ryanair began operations in 1985 and has grown by leaps and bounds ever since. They currently operate 196 Boeing 737-800 aircraft to 146 cities in 26 countries. The airline expects to carry nearly 67 million passengers in 2009 and now has the largest airline booking site in Europe. Their on-time performance is typically near the top of all European airlines and their customer complaints near the bottom. The airline continues to excel with their concept of a minimal charge for the airline reservation and additional fees for airport check-in, a reserved seat, checked baggage, in-flight refreshments, and so on. On-line check-in is offered from 15 days to 4 hours prior to departure.

ALSO...

Irish airline Ryanair wants passengers to stand up on flights so they can cram more people onbaord

Irish airline Ryanair wants passengers to stand up on flights so they can cram more people onboard
BY SAMUEL GOLDSMITH
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Monday, July 6th 2009, 12:57 PM

Think paying to check a bag is bad? It gets worse.
The Irish discount airline Ryanair wants passengers to stand up on flights so they can cram more people every flight.
The company's CEO wants Boeing to build a special standing room only jet so fliers can perch on stools instead of sit in chairs - a method Ryanair thinks could get 30% more customers on their planes.
"Passengers wouldn't be fully standing, they would have something like a stool to lean on or to sit on," said Stephen McNamara, a Ryanair spokesman.
The plan would "completely adhere to safety procedures," he said, as the stools would have lap belts to keep you attached.
Standing room tickets would cost less than seats, McNamara said.

The idea came from the Chinese airline Spring, which is developing a similar plan.

Ryanair flies to destinations throughout Europe and a few in Northern Africa.
The company has already implemented wacky-cost cutting measures like charging passengers about $1.50 to use the toilet, and making them carry their bags to luggage compartments.
They even closed airport check-in facilities and make passengers get boarding passes online.
The strange tactics seem to be working for the company, which is Europe's biggest short distance airline with about 60 million passengers a year.
Ryanair reported Monday that business is up 13% from last year despite the recession that's crippling many of their competitors.

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 07-08-2009 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captjns (Post 641279)
Maybe so... but their first officers are making more money than captains flying for US carriers.

Do you have their pay scale? From what I've seen on their own website the pay is ok but not as great as you describe... Not to mention the higher tax bracket and the undoubtedly higher cost of living... The numerous bases throughout the Europe though is indeed a nice benefit...

They used to post a pay scale on their website but I can't find it now? I know they agreed to a 12 months pay freeze and 'productivity increases' in March, maybe that's why the info is not there anymore? :confused:


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