How to land a professional flying job in Asia
#11
As I mentioned, there a few companies that will hire you without time on type. Air Asia does, I'm not sure if you have to pay for the rating. In the contract world, currently Skymark in Japan will hire you as a 737 captain (and pay for your rating) if you have command time on just about any other jet. Air Japan hires FOs on the 767 and upgrades after 4-5 years. Again you'd need other jet time, but not necessarily PIC time. Tianjin Airlines in China has contracts on the E145 and E190 (2 popular airplanes in the US regional fleet). So if you flew one in the US you could transition to the contract. Tianjin also claims that if you renew your contract after 3 years they will upgrade you to the next bigger aircraft (E145-E190 or E190-A320).
If, as full flank says, US regional upgrades are running 5+ years now, that might not be the best option. Although 5 years is still quite quick relatively speaking.
Indonesia would be a good place to try if you want to get jet time with little to no previous experience. They don't pay well but if you can survive a few years you might walk away as a 737 captain.
If, as full flank says, US regional upgrades are running 5+ years now, that might not be the best option. Although 5 years is still quite quick relatively speaking.
Indonesia would be a good place to try if you want to get jet time with little to no previous experience. They don't pay well but if you can survive a few years you might walk away as a 737 captain.
i looked into skymark and air asia since you mentioned them in your first post. did some digging around on contract companies and found some postings.
from the forum found out that Tianjin is a polluted city to live in but nonetheless, a very good stepping stone for someone like me. like i said earlier, i can survive on USD 2-3k a month for the first couple of years.
i am somewhat aware of the regional market situation in the US. i can suck it up and build some time at regional and when i meet the minimums, i go jump boat to LCCs in asia.
Indeed, Indonesia seems a good starting point. citilink has couple of positions on EBR i believe. i can survive a few years at LCCs..... born, raised and spent 20 years in Asia-Nepal!
i very much appreciate your guidance.
#12
gcpilot posted
He is hoping to one day become a pilot, he doesn't qualify for any of the jobs suggested, the only thing I can think of is what Thyphoon suggested, a cadet program at CX or SQ for example. gcpilot, I think you need to manage your expectations first, by this post (correct me if I'm wrong) you don't even have a PPL??? And you are talking about buying a type on an A320 and such??? I understand you are eager, we were all there at some point, but you are at the stage of experiencing you first crosswind landing, getting scared for the first time when inadvertently you enter IMC for the first time looking forward is a good thing don't get me wrong, but this career is about baby steps. All the best to you
He is hoping to one day become a pilot, he doesn't qualify for any of the jobs suggested, the only thing I can think of is what Thyphoon suggested, a cadet program at CX or SQ for example. gcpilot, I think you need to manage your expectations first, by this post (correct me if I'm wrong) you don't even have a PPL??? And you are talking about buying a type on an A320 and such??? I understand you are eager, we were all there at some point, but you are at the stage of experiencing you first crosswind landing, getting scared for the first time when inadvertently you enter IMC for the first time looking forward is a good thing don't get me wrong, but this career is about baby steps. All the best to you
you are right, i do not even have a PPL but i am trying to build a course of action that will hopefully lead me to the right seat of an airline in Asia in the next 6-8 years. i have done a lot of reading and research on this forum and internet so i was asking about the jump to the right seat of A320 or B737; since those are widely used in Asia and the chances are high that one could come across either of those two starting out. buying a type rating would be very easy, provided the funds are there and this is not the right way of earning wings IMHO. i was wondering about the transition from US regional to A320/B737 FO in asia.
i am building a rough career map in this volatile aviation industry since a rigid plan would crumble like a cookie due to various variables. i will take baby steps one at a time before start running like all of your veterans have and hopefully will make it someday to come to this forum again to guide young student and other avviators
thank you again.
#13
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
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Don't bother with building a map. The industry will be drastically different in 6-8 years anyway and your map will be worthless. Just work on your initial ratings and take it one day at a time.
I was in your shoes not too long ago... except my ego would like to argue that I was not as naïve.
I was in your shoes not too long ago... except my ego would like to argue that I was not as naïve.
#14
Precisely the point I was trying to convey, there is no way that you will be able to lay out your path anymore than the next few months in advance, in my 30 plus years in this paid hobby of ours, nothing happened as I expected it to, absolutely nothing, I was hired by my career job a couple of times and had the "welcome to your last job in aviation" speech given to me my share of times, I'm working in Japan now for heavens sake, I would have lost money on that bet for sure, not only that, I went from not even knowing about this job opportunity to being in class within the space of a couple of months, your path will be nothing like what you envision or plan and circumstances in your personnal life that might not be a factor now, will influence your decision making process in the future. You are motivated and driven and that will be your accet to deal with the hardships of this business, it will be a hard and difficult ride and you have no idea where it will lead you. The best of luck and enjoy the ride because every stage is special on its own way, I wouldn't be on the 76 without what the Cessna 402 taught me, you follow? This business is defined by the journey, not so much by the destination.
#15
+1 Dominican
I had a well laid out plan of what my career would be like when I was in high school. Just about the only thing that remains of that plan is this:
Step 34: get ATP
Steps 1 to 33 have been changed and rearranged, and step 35 is yet to be seen.
It always helps to have a goal. In this industry, you need to be working towards something, but I'm afraid you seem to be aiming for some very small, distant targets.
For now, focus on becoming a commercial pilot. Approach your flight training professionally from day 1. By that, I don't mean to show up for your first flight wearing a uniform. I mean learn as much as you can, try to pick up good habits and techniques, and leave the bad ones behind.
When you get that first job as a pilot, only then can you sort of steer yourself towards some sort of path to whatever you're targeting.
You seem to be doing the right thing by getting yourself informed, and it's good to plan, but just remember to give yourself a lot of wiggle room.
I had a well laid out plan of what my career would be like when I was in high school. Just about the only thing that remains of that plan is this:
Step 34: get ATP
Steps 1 to 33 have been changed and rearranged, and step 35 is yet to be seen.
It always helps to have a goal. In this industry, you need to be working towards something, but I'm afraid you seem to be aiming for some very small, distant targets.
For now, focus on becoming a commercial pilot. Approach your flight training professionally from day 1. By that, I don't mean to show up for your first flight wearing a uniform. I mean learn as much as you can, try to pick up good habits and techniques, and leave the bad ones behind.
When you get that first job as a pilot, only then can you sort of steer yourself towards some sort of path to whatever you're targeting.
You seem to be doing the right thing by getting yourself informed, and it's good to plan, but just remember to give yourself a lot of wiggle room.
#16
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"Plans are nothing; planning is everything."
- Dwight Eisenhower
#17
+1 Dominican
I had a well laid out plan of what my career would be like when I was in high school. Just about the only thing that remains of that plan is this:
Step 34: get ATP
Steps 1 to 33 have been changed and rearranged, and step 35 is yet to be seen.
It always helps to have a goal. In this industry, you need to be working towards something, but I'm afraid you seem to be aiming for some very small, distant targets.
For now, focus on becoming a commercial pilot. Approach your flight training professionally from day 1. By that, I don't mean to show up for your first flight wearing a uniform. I mean learn as much as you can, try to pick up good habits and techniques, and leave the bad ones behind.
When you get that first job as a pilot, only then can you sort of steer yourself towards some sort of path to whatever you're targeting.
You seem to be doing the right thing by getting yourself informed, and it's good to plan, but just remember to give yourself a lot of wiggle room.
I had a well laid out plan of what my career would be like when I was in high school. Just about the only thing that remains of that plan is this:
Step 34: get ATP
Steps 1 to 33 have been changed and rearranged, and step 35 is yet to be seen.
It always helps to have a goal. In this industry, you need to be working towards something, but I'm afraid you seem to be aiming for some very small, distant targets.
For now, focus on becoming a commercial pilot. Approach your flight training professionally from day 1. By that, I don't mean to show up for your first flight wearing a uniform. I mean learn as much as you can, try to pick up good habits and techniques, and leave the bad ones behind.
When you get that first job as a pilot, only then can you sort of steer yourself towards some sort of path to whatever you're targeting.
You seem to be doing the right thing by getting yourself informed, and it's good to plan, but just remember to give yourself a lot of wiggle room.
#18
I do not even have a PPL at this point but probably....and probably I know some of the aviation industry more than a few of the student pilots out there training right now. I am not being a snob but just trying to gather as much information as possible from experienced aviators like you. Of course there is google, search button on this forum and even other resources, but I would not get an honest opinion and interactive opportunity like I have with you aviators anywhere. There are suits in market that you could go buy and of course there are places that do custom orders....my point is, this forum is that "custom order" shop that delivers honest and situation-based suggestions which no other source can.
#19
The only thing you can control is your self and your reaction to outside events. Make sure you are improving your resume every day; that means flying more and not less, improving your education and personal development.
Then make sure you are not doing things that can hurt your long term prospects; like driving drunk, not paying your bills on time or beating up your girlfriend/wife.
Opportunity awaits those who prepare for it.
Then make sure you are not doing things that can hurt your long term prospects; like driving drunk, not paying your bills on time or beating up your girlfriend/wife.
Opportunity awaits those who prepare for it.
#20
The only thing you can control is your self and your reaction to outside events. Make sure you are improving your resume every day; that means flying more and not less, improving your education and personal development.
Then make sure you are not doing things that can hurt your long term prospects; like driving drunk, not paying your bills on time or beating up your girlfriend/wife.
Opportunity awaits those who prepare for it.
Then make sure you are not doing things that can hurt your long term prospects; like driving drunk, not paying your bills on time or beating up your girlfriend/wife.
Opportunity awaits those who prepare for it.
Ive been waiting 12 years... can you show many of us where this thing we call opportunity is?
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