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bcrosier 07-23-2012 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by aupilot (Post 1233985)
First of all, this individual opened himself up to these remarks by posting the video on You Tube. My only motive is to show some insight into his character.

However, I note that you only attempt to discredit the person who filmed this, but take no issue with the actions of the Check Airman. What about the character of a pilot who continues an approach into a microburst? That seems like a much greater safety hazard than anything you've alleged! And why can't this guy stay awake on a short two-hour flight? If he's that tired, don't you have the ability to call in fatigued over in Japan?

Or is this a case of the check airman "old boys club" sticking up for each other? Perhaps, since you guys are supposed to be the "top guns" so to speak when it comes to professionalism, you would be better off to clean up your own house first rather than come on here and impugn the character of someone who out's one of your buddies dirty laundry.

Again, the fact that you defend this sort of behavior from Capt. Sleepy does not speak well for the integrity of the ANA check airman cadre.

74plb 07-23-2012 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by myoface (Post 1234002)
My JCAB checker fell asleep and started snoring while giving me my type ride. No video of it though.

At least he was in the fwd obs seat. I had the same JCAB checker for my sim ride and my JCAB flight check. It was NRT-HNL, he pounded me with questions for the first three hours, went to his seat in first class had his meal, then came back to pound me some more. Didn't tell me I had passed until the debrief in the hotel. I was more brain-dead than usual,but I had a good night at the ShoreBird. This was the culmination of 6 months of training.
On the way back I was deadhead and asked him how my partner was doing on the legback. He said " I don't know, we are not finished yet" Not a whole lot of humor with the JCAB.
I dealt with them in Moses Lake and they weren't much fun there either.

aupilot 07-23-2012 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by bcrosier (Post 1234159)
However, I note that you only attempt to discredit the person who filmed this, but take no issue with the actions of the Check Airman. What about the character of a pilot who continues an approach into a microburst? That seems like a much greater safety hazard than anything you've alleged! And why can't this guy stay awake on a short two-hour flight? If he's that tired, don't you have the ability to call in fatigued over in Japan?

Or is this a case of the check airman "old boys club" sticking up for each other? Perhaps, since you guys are supposed to be the "top guns" so to speak when it comes to professionalism, you would be better off to clean up your own house first rather than come on here and impugn the character of someone who out's one of your buddies dirty laundry.

Again, the fact that you defend this sort of behavior from Capt. Sleepy does not speak well for the integrity of the ANA check airman cadre.


You are really clueless about Air Japan. I am not Japanese therefore I can't be a check pilot. I am not defending one of my buddies. Every airline has these types of pilots but the solution to the problem is not posting videos on You Tube and having guys like you repost them on this forum when you do not know all the facts. You want to talk about professionalism, posting this video is far from being professional. As a professional pilot is this what you are going to do every time you have a problem with another pilot. I am sorry but Greg is the one who is not being professional and needs to grow up and realize the problems he has created are his own fault.

bcrosier 07-23-2012 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by aupilot (Post 1234348)
You are really clueless about Air Japan. I am not Japanese therefore I can't be a check pilot. I am not defending one of my buddies. Every airline has these types of pilots but the solution to the problem is not posting videos on You Tube and having guys like you repost them on this forum when you do not know all the facts.

Well, since you want to go there...


Originally Posted by aupilot (Post 1233875)
For instance, he left his flight bag in the U.S. when commuting for work. How does he solve the problem? He steals the jepp charts and om from another pilots flight bag.

I was curious about this as it seemed out of character, so I emailed and inquired. It seems he has a slightly different take on this story, and is willing to back it up with the name of the pilot he borrowed the Jepps from (with said pilots knowledge and consent) after AA lost his bag positioning over. Now on the one hand I have someone who I know to some extent willing to give the name of who he borrowed them from, as well as video of a check captain snoozing away in the left seat. On the other hand, I have you, who is very eager to descredit him at all costs, yet does nothing to criticize the actions of said checker in either instance.

Something seems out of balance here - to paraphrase Shakespear, "Methinks he doth protest too much..."

Do I know all of the facts - no, but apparently neither do you, and you still haven't addressed the core issue here of the integrity of the ANA check cadre, which I find interesting.

bcrosier 07-23-2012 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by 74plb (Post 1234224)
At least he was in the fwd obs seat. I had the same JCAB checker for my sim ride and my JCAB flight check. It was NRT-HNL, he pounded me with questions for the first three hours, went to his seat in first class had his meal, then came back to pound me some more. Didn't tell me I had passed until the debrief in the hotel. I was more brain-dead than usual,but I had a good night at the ShoreBird. This was the culmination of 6 months of training.
On the way back I was deadhead and asked him how my partner was doing on the legback. He said " I don't know, we are not finished yet" Not a whole lot of humor with the JCAB.
I dealt with them in Moses Lake and they weren't much fun there either.

Not taking away from your comments, but that appears to be the left front seat to me, not the observer's seat.

Based on my experience and conversations with very experienced check airmen at several carriers, there is no reason besides sport for that sort of grilling for 90%+ of candidates. If you can't determine their competency in a couple of hours, then the checker isn't qualified to be in his position.

This is sort of the idiocy I point to with to many non-U.S. carriers. They are very concerned about making certain a crewmember could build a radio from scratch, but tolerate or even promote a cross-cockpit gradient of authority that completely destroys CRM and synergy.

motojet 07-23-2012 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by bcrosier (Post 1234391)
Well, since you want to go there...



I was curious about this as it seemed out of character, so I emailed and inquired. It seems he has a slightly different take on this story, and is willing to back it up with the name of the pilot he borrowed the Jepps from (with said pilots knowledge and consent) after AA lost his bag positioning over. Now on the one hand I have someone who I know to some extent willing to give the name of who he borrowed them from, as well as video of a check captain snoozing away in the left seat. On the other hand, I have you, who is very eager to descredit him at all costs, yet does nothing to criticize the actions of said checker in either instance.

Something seems out of balance here - to paraphrase Shakespear, "Methinks he doth protest too much..."

Do I know all of the facts - no, but apparently neither do you, and you still haven't addressed the core issue here of the integrity of the ANA check cadre, which I find interesting.

Out of curiosity, why isn't this other pilot posting here?

jrmyl 07-23-2012 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by bcrosier (Post 1234391)
Well, since you want to go there...



I was curious about this as it seemed out of character, so I emailed and inquired. It seems he has a slightly different take on this story, and is willing to back it up with the name of the pilot he borrowed the Jepps from (with said pilots knowledge and consent) after AA lost his bag positioning over. Now on the one hand I have someone who I know to some extent willing to give the name of who he borrowed them from, as well as video of a check captain snoozing away in the left seat.

Do I know all of the facts - no, but apparently neither do you, and you still haven't addressed the core issue here of the integrity of the ANA check cadre, which I find interesting.

I have to add my two cents on this one. I also know the person that he "borrowed" the jepps from. I actually flew with him right after this event happened. In his telling of the event, this person "borrowed" his jepps without his consent. It wasn't until after the jepps had been "borrowed" that he found out about it. By then it was too late to say yes or no. So what should he do? What could he do? Say ok? I guess when someone says ok after the event has already happened then it is with their consent.

myoface 07-23-2012 10:06 PM

Sounds like you guys need EFBs.

aupilot 07-24-2012 07:11 AM

You have obviously never worked overseas, especially in Asia. They do things differently than in the U.S. and just like any training program you have to cooperate to graduate.

You want me to address the check airman I will. Most of the Japanese checkers we have are good guys and sure there are a few that can be difficult. Show me any airline that is not the same. So why don't you give your check airman friends a call and ask them if every check airman they work with should be a check airman.

Look at the safety record of Japanese airlines and you will find they have one of the best safety records in the world. Must be doing something right.

I am good friends with the pilot who Greg borrowed the Jepps from and the story you hear from Greg is a lie.

As I have stated before my problem is the way Greg is handling the situation which you refuse to address. You continue to believe his lies and defend him here. Greg was forced to resign from one airline and terminated from another. At Air Japan many western pilots refused to fly with him and was always creating issues which have been previously discussed. Greg is the problem.

This is my last post on this issue because trying to argue with stupidity is frustrating and you can never win.

vagabond 07-24-2012 12:56 PM

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