аэрофлот (Aeroflot)
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I was in Moscow in a G-4 many years ago. An Aeroflot crew parked next to us asked to look in our airplane and afterward invited me to look inside theirs. Their plane looked like a brand new Tu-134 or something close to that. I was walking up the steps to the airplane, was about 3 steps from the cabin door when the nasty odor hit me in the face. The interior looked new and clean but stunk to high heaven. The lav smelled like a cess pool. The cockpit was new and clean but looked like something out of the 1950's, hundreds of black and white instruments and dials.
Things may be different now but, good luck.
Things may be different now but, good luck.
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Aeroflot is the largest airline in Russia. It operates domestic and international passenger services to 97 cities in 48 countries. Its main base is Sheremetyevo International Airport. Aeroflot is now part of the Sky Team Air Alliance.
Summary was last updated 11-Apr-2011
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Aeroflot is the largest airline in Russia. It operates domestic and international passenger services to 97 cities in 48 countries. Its main base is Sheremetyevo International Airport. Aeroflot is now part of the Sky Team Air Alliance.
Summary was last updated 11-Apr-2011
According to the web site... last update was a year and a half ago.
#13
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Actually Moscow is a great city. I would however point out that there is a pretty big neo Nazi problem occuring in Russia right now. Random attacks on anyone who doesnt look Russian is becoming more common. Just an FYI. Moscow may be more difficult for some to live in than others. And yes, I was in Moscow and seen one of these "gangs" myself.
Bottom line is, there's bound to be gangs in any other country. But we'd be better off without them.
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Of course, at this moment I doubt foreign applications would be taken too seriously as the laws are still to be changed to reflect the hiring of foreigners. Question is when will this happen?
#15
It will have to happen, the situation in Russia is not different than the situation in Japan, massive retirements coupled with growth and the pilot making machine not producing enough warm bodies to replace them, but in Russia there is another aspect to it all, the reason why the salaries have gone up from a couple of thousand dollars a month to what it is now, is not because their airline managers are nice guys, it is because in the last decade in top of massive retirements they have experienced a huge brain drain, and the pilots that have gone out of the country to get other better paying jobs are the ones they desperately need, those that actually speak English, the same thing in Malasia, India etc. those that have the best skills overall are the ones that venture out of their country in search of jobs, and just like you have seen in Malasia, India, Thailand for example, the T&C's for the locals have increased in recent years.
#16
I post it here from another thread:
Aeroflot pilot pay has come up significantly; just a little while ago wasn’t good at all.
Captains: $10-11K
AFL A330 Captains make close to $14K, but fly worldwide ops (exp. USA) with 2 men crews regardless of flight time. No typo.
FO's: $4-7K
Everyone flies very close to 92 hours of block time/month for that pay, which is Russian legal monthly limit. Everyone is flight planned for M.81 in cruise. If you manage to fly your schedule and still are legal for an extra trip - they will assign it to you at the very end of the month.
The fleet is new, but they run it like they are in the 80's - no acars, no cpdlc, yes you will have to get atis over the radio, no comms with dispatch in flight in fact many airlines still don't have dispatchers at all. Once you get in the cockpit – you are on your own.
Flying deep inside Russia could be very challenging. The weather can be the worst on the planet. Very few people speak English, including the crew members.
Very inexperienced FO’s – 80 hours TT in cessnas or Yak-18T for a new pilot is a norm, many are returning to flying after 10-15 years totally out of the industry.
Moscow looks very European now and is one of the most expensive cities in the world. Traffic is bad. Currently Aeroflot is providing the housing to the pilots that are not from Moscow area. They shuttle people from SVO to a hotel in the nearby town. Nothing to write home about, but it is ok. The common complaint is that there is nowhere to eat around the hotel espessially after 19:00.
Terrible to non-existant healthcare system. If you do go there you will oppose social medicine for the rest of your life.
No seniority system. Whoever is connected gets to upgrade, whoever brings wine to scheds flies better trips.
For connected guys there is an upgrade program designed for pilots with less than 800 hours total time. 24-25 year old captains is a norm now, but you will also see 50+ y.o. FO’s.
8 days off per month is max, 4-5 average. Lots of red eyes. They do have good vacations - 30-40 days per year. Training is on days off.
Very long IOE's - up to 6 months. Aeroflot has ground school programs up to 2 years. Pay in training - ~$800/month.
Russian mentality is to cut the corners. If you are not comfortable with it you will not last long.
Aeroflot pilot pay has come up significantly; just a little while ago wasn’t good at all.
Captains: $10-11K
AFL A330 Captains make close to $14K, but fly worldwide ops (exp. USA) with 2 men crews regardless of flight time. No typo.
FO's: $4-7K
Everyone flies very close to 92 hours of block time/month for that pay, which is Russian legal monthly limit. Everyone is flight planned for M.81 in cruise. If you manage to fly your schedule and still are legal for an extra trip - they will assign it to you at the very end of the month.
The fleet is new, but they run it like they are in the 80's - no acars, no cpdlc, yes you will have to get atis over the radio, no comms with dispatch in flight in fact many airlines still don't have dispatchers at all. Once you get in the cockpit – you are on your own.
Flying deep inside Russia could be very challenging. The weather can be the worst on the planet. Very few people speak English, including the crew members.
Very inexperienced FO’s – 80 hours TT in cessnas or Yak-18T for a new pilot is a norm, many are returning to flying after 10-15 years totally out of the industry.
Moscow looks very European now and is one of the most expensive cities in the world. Traffic is bad. Currently Aeroflot is providing the housing to the pilots that are not from Moscow area. They shuttle people from SVO to a hotel in the nearby town. Nothing to write home about, but it is ok. The common complaint is that there is nowhere to eat around the hotel espessially after 19:00.
Terrible to non-existant healthcare system. If you do go there you will oppose social medicine for the rest of your life.
No seniority system. Whoever is connected gets to upgrade, whoever brings wine to scheds flies better trips.
For connected guys there is an upgrade program designed for pilots with less than 800 hours total time. 24-25 year old captains is a norm now, but you will also see 50+ y.o. FO’s.
8 days off per month is max, 4-5 average. Lots of red eyes. They do have good vacations - 30-40 days per year. Training is on days off.
Very long IOE's - up to 6 months. Aeroflot has ground school programs up to 2 years. Pay in training - ~$800/month.
Russian mentality is to cut the corners. If you are not comfortable with it you will not last long.
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It is unfortunate that such gangs exist. The world would be best without them. However, there are similar gangs in Germany too. There's quite a bit of Nazism going on and in certain cities there are facts stating that 1 in 4 people still believe in Nazism (in particular regions/cities). I've seen this myself - demonstrations held in the city causing roads to be closed; young men saluting each other in a Nazi style knowing that the fine for such an action could be up to 800-Eur...
Bottom line is, there's bound to be gangs in any other country. But we'd be better off without them.
Bottom line is, there's bound to be gangs in any other country. But we'd be better off without them.
Serious question- Why is Nazism still going so strong? And, why is Russia having a problem with gangs going around and beating up on foreigners?
I'm going to take a stab at the second question and guess that Russia has been fairly closed off to the outside world. Plus things aren't so good economically, and ****ed off people do dumb hateful things(?)
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Serious question- Why is Nazism still going so strong? And, why is Russia having a problem with gangs going around and beating up on foreigners?
I'm going to take a stab at the second question and guess that Russia has been fairly closed off to the outside world. Plus things aren't so good economically, and ****ed off people do dumb hateful things(?)
I'm going to take a stab at the second question and guess that Russia has been fairly closed off to the outside world. Plus things aren't so good economically, and ****ed off people do dumb hateful things(?)
As for Russia, the gangs that have been mentioned are mostly made of immigrants into Russia. The countries where they originate from is Kazakhstan, Armenia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. These immigrants are known to be the more violent and are moving to large Russian cities to try and make a better living. This is the information I have been told.
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Lol, I don't know what flight you were on, but I rode Aeroflot a few times and they weren't bad, but I wouldn't say hottest in the world. I think Fly Emirates, Vueling, and Lufthansa all rank higher than Aeroflot in this category
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