Chicago next for Emirates
 

Great, probably another airport hotel. Question will be whether or not it will be a 24+ layover or 48+ hours. This one will be a toss up.

Thinking the same thing Skyone…

Also wondering how the EK guys will do with a not so forgiving O'Hare ground and approach control when they stop for 8 minutes on a main taxiway to redo takeoff data…. or when told to fly 180 knots, they instead fly at 192 in order to save a pint of fuel. Or when cleared to descend to 240, interpreting it as they can do it at their discretion when it clearly was not "at pilot's discretion".

K

All of that will be corrected by the friendly staff of the Chicago ATC center...!

I guess you don't get out very much.

All EK has to do like the rest of us... ask if they can maintain a requested speed. I've never had ATC say negative for the extra 10 to 15 knots. At the end of the day, if the request is denied then what the heck.

Takeoff Data??? Ask the pros from American in Miami during the big evening push.

As far as descent is concerned... simple question.... Now?

Not to worry K, EK pilots from all over the world have flown in far worse corners of the world than ORD.

EK cabin crew a... a far better bunch to hang with than well, you may get the picture... but then again not as EK crews layover at better hotels than US carriers, in most cases that is.

Hey CaptJns

Something tells me you've not been to nor operated into and out of ORD. Rushhour there is amazingly busy on one hand but amazingly well run by ATC on the other as they "keep jets moving".

My point that you misunderstood was that the guys at EK DON'T ask if they can wait 30 more miles before starting to descend…. they just think they can do it when the little green dot tells 'em it's time to go down.

Takeoff Data in MIA? My colleagues have mentioned to me they get an ACARS message on taxi out with all their takeoff data info and it which includes about 3 or 4 different runways as well…. not stopping the show needed for them! I guess the only thing they'd have to delay for would be not getting the ACARS info…??

Speed control… Again, you've probably NOT operated into or out of ORD but it is not like most other places in regards to how tightly they run that ship…. you just cannot maintain 190 when they say 180. And yes the few times I have operated there I did hear one guy get chewed out on ATC for not doing the exact speed as assigned.

ORD at rush hour is like nothing most have ever seen….

Just my two cents.

Kap

Yeah... I been in and out of every major hub airport in the US since 1978 when there were lots of airlines around... Pre and Post ATC Strike, and what not. But yeah.... ORD has never been an issue for me... and I'll wager that my colleagues I've flown with in previous lives who are now with EK, EY, QR will not be faced with any dramas as you so portend.

Hey Kap,

What's your hangup with EK pilots? I almost went there (too far away) but I like strip clubs.

I don't think Kap has a hangup, he is absolutely correct in what he says. Many of the guys employed here are "special". It's undetermined if their "special-ness" is self-induced or is a result of a poor training department (Australian influence/prison colony rules) which tends to cause fear of ones' own shadow in certain individuals.

He's one of us. It's okay. He knows what he is talking about.

Truth is, he likes strip clubs too. :cool:

Most US ATCO's handle us with kid gloves when it comes to radar vectoring to final. IAH, DFW, SEA, LAX, IAD... we always get extra separation cause guys are usually high and fast. Most EK pilots I fly with when going to the states try and fly a CDA. It just doesn't work in the US and we usually lose our spot or get forced down with an expedite clearance.

When it's my leg in, I'll brief why I'm going to be low on descent profile and it works out perfectly for the base turn. You couldn't fly like that at most of the other places we fly, so muscle memory gets the best of our pilots. They try to stay on profile in the states like they would in Gatwick. Chicago will be no different and Kap is right. We are gonna annoy $h!t out of the ORD approach controllers with our energy management and stabilization requirements.