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My two cents here on EK….
I would absolutely not recommend an American guy coming to EK these days. There is going to (and has already started) be a hiring spree to beat even the late 80's/early 90's numbers just to maintain a zero growth due to the percentage of retirements from each combination of majors that now exists. Emirates realizes they will probably lose a good number of US guys but as TP mentioned, There are just too many opportunities in the US now and for the foreseeable future to contemplate coming to Emirates. Coming and working at Emirates is just simply not the same as you think it would be working for a major in the US. Very different mentality…. But again…. why would anyone even want to come to EK when the US market is just now starting to takeoff in a big way with hiring numbers. As I read it, there are probably 300 pilots each month getting hired at all the US airlines combined at present. At some point, the guys who have astronaut ratings and space ship time will deplete and then us mere mortals who want to fly for a US major can have a chance. Again, my two cents. Kap |
Originally Posted by Typhoonpilot
(Post 1657614)
There are a lot of threads here on APC. Just search "Emirates". The threads here are 100% better than any you'll find on PPrune. Pprune went downhill as an information source about 10 years ago and it just keeps getting worse.
I was at Emirates for 11 years and recently left for something else. So I made it more than the average American :) That's kind of funny actually since when I left I was basically the senior American. Gillegan, who left a few years ago, made it 15 years. Emirates didn't really hire Americans until slightly after I joined. The flood gates opened a few years after that and there are about 300 there now. There was a period where ERJ and CRJ pilots were getting hired, but then the pendulum swung the other way and it stopped. I am hearing now that some corporate guys with only GIV GV or Challenger time have been getting calls, but I believe they are flying in that region already. A large number of those 300 Americans are looking to leave. Emirates was great during the post 9-11 furloughs/bankruptcies and then the age 65 stagnation period, but now that things are starting to move in the USA again there is no way I would recommend going there. One of the main reasons to go to Emirates was the chance at a quick upgrade in a widebody. I was lucky and upgraded in one year ( previous command time ) and most who joined within the 5 years after me upgraded in the 3-5 year time frame. That has ended now. Upgrades for a new joiner today are going to go beyond a decade. It's just simple math. Look at the fleet number now; the projected growth; the number of pilots; and the attrition rate to get a rough idea. At what point might you be projecting to be at the half way point up the seniority list? If you want to go to Emirates I would highly recommend getting 1000 PIC jet before leaving the States. At least then you'll have the qualifications to get back to the States someday. Because you won't be getting PIC time at EK for at least 10 years. Typhoonpilot I am about to switch from an engineering career to flying with a start date in a month. If all goes well, I should get crj700/900 time. I am interested in Emirates, Etihad and Qatar. Do you think Crj 700/900 FO time will be considered by these airlines? Also, it is not clearly stated, but do these carriers have an age limit? I understand your point about upgrade at Emirates, how about the others? Thanks! |
Wouldn't the addition of 150 777X affect upgrade times?
Also, on the lines of baron's questions... anyone have any info on cathay pacific? |
Originally Posted by BaronRouge380
(Post 1658505)
typhoonpilot, thank you for you posts! Always interesting and informative.
I am about to switch from an engineering career to flying with a start date in a month. If all goes well, I should get crj700/900 time. I am interested in Emirates, Etihad and Qatar. Do you think Crj 700/900 FO time will be considered by these airlines? Also, it is not clearly stated, but do these carriers have an age limit? I understand your point about upgrade at Emirates, how about the others? Thanks! Emirates age cutoff for new hire first officers is 48 and for direct entry captains is 56. That's unofficial of course and there have been a few exceptions made for highly experienced pilots. Emirates and Etihad will always hire pilots from B737NG and A320 or higher Boeing/Airbus types ahead of any other time. It is only when they can not find enough qualified applicants with that preferred experience that they will start looking at other experience. With Emirates and Etihad captain time is not that important, first officer time will generally suffice. That said, I can't think of very many (if any) pure CRJ first officers that have been hired. Pilots coming from that type have typically been captains previously. Qatar is a different animal and their requirements tend to be lower than both Emirates and Etihad. Wouldn't the addition of 150 777X affect upgrade times? Those will mostly be replacement aircraft . When the first one arrives in 2020, the oldest B777-300ER would be 15 years old and due for replacement. If any of the RR powered -300 or 200ERs are still remaining they would definitely be due for replacement. TP |
Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant
(Post 1657895)
My two cents here on EK….
I would absolutely not recommend an American guy coming to EK these days. There is going to (and has already started) be a hiring spree to beat even the late 80's/early 90's numbers just to maintain a zero growth due to the percentage of retirements from each combination of majors that now exists. Emirates realizes they will probably lose a good number of US guys but as TP mentioned, There are just too many opportunities in the US now and for the foreseeable future to contemplate coming to Emirates. Coming and working at Emirates is just simply not the same as you think it would be working for a major in the US. Very different mentality…. But again…. why would anyone even want to come to EK when the US market is just now starting to takeoff in a big way with hiring numbers. As I read it, there are probably 300 pilots each month getting hired at all the US airlines combined at present. At some point, the guys who have astronaut ratings and space ship time will deplete and then us mere mortals who want to fly for a US major can have a chance. Again, my two cents. Kap with that said, I could be interested in Emirates. Now could be an interesting time with that amount of hiring in the US, could cause a need for applicants. Is this a factor? Upgrade time would be a concern. If TP is reading this, do you really think 10 years+ even with the hiring elsewhere and addition of a 380 or so, not the 777 replacements?? I personally have heaps of heavy time, but not enough Command currently for DEC I believe. Does having command time and addition of heavy time in general trigger upgrade opportunities? plus I am 48 |
777x no earlier than 2021 and would bet on 2022+, all 150 are replacements. Fleet size by 2020 = 280 (160/777 and 120/380) 3600 pilots as of now. Present fleet =225. First of the 300er's start to go in 2017. all the old ones330/343/345/200er/300 gone by then regardless of what people say, some leases will be extended but only for a short period if required. As TP said EK ship has sailed for the quik upgrade.
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