Qatar Airways
08-01-2015, 12:31 PM
#111
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Originally Posted by airspeed1974
And the salary package they showed us looked nothing like what 330 was saying. And speaking to current friends there now on both types they are not anywhere even close.
Costs of living is quite expensive
Costs of living is quite expensive
You are probably making more in China anyway with a lower cost of living thus saving more money there than you would in Qatar....
08-01-2015, 01:07 PM
#112
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Originally Posted by A330Pilot
Senior U.S legacy Captains have been earning $250,000 as top pay for only the past 2-3 years...UAL top pay is $263 an hour for a 777/747 CA.. $263 an hour with 75 hour per month guarantee equates to $19725 per month...Which is an annual salary of $236,700...Pretax that is....Add another $7,000 per diem for the year..Now we are at $243,700 and add $38,992 for the 16% Retirement B Fund...So a top UAL Captain is earning $282,692..Now take out 38% in tax which you will pay sooner or later and you are left with $175,269 net.....That is pretty close to what a Qatar First Officer makes..Qatar FO's make an all inclusive package of $156,000 per year and 3 weeks salary per year towards retirement which is another $10,000... that takes the total FO package at $166,000 per year tax free...Also, we have 18,000 pilot applications on file so I don't think they are hurting for qualified pilots...
All the best to those who want to live in Doha. For those that take the time to interview, as has been mentioned by numerous posters on this site and pprune, don't be too disappointed by the ACTUAL compensation package on offer. The current package on offer is easily attainable all over the internet, and obviously to those that have interviewed. Not a bad overall package, just not great for saving for, and building, a retirement nest egg. Great place for RJ drivers or turbo prop guys to get some heavy jet time and return to their home legacies, or go to Asia and make good money as a DEC. Just make sure you do your homework on what you will actually end up with at Qatar, pay and savings wise...and the reputation that the company "enjoys" within the international and domestic pilot community, regarding job satisfaction and QOL.
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08-01-2015, 01:39 PM
#113
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Originally Posted by GreenTailWhale
Missleading (incorrect) pay numbers once again 330 pilot. Just for starters, legacy senior wide body pilots don't CREDIT 75 hours. They probably BLOCK that, or a lot less, and CREDIT significantly more than 75. Love the bit about 18k apps on file for Qatar Airways lol. So how's your company retirement plan at QA 330pilot?? "Interesting" reading on your previous posts as well... Why you feel the need to mislead pilots looking into QA is beyond me. The package isn't bad, but is behind MANY carriers. Tell them the good (truthful) points. Good maintenance, great product, international experience, free type rating. But a medium level compensation package, hard (brutal) schedules with ZERO control over QOL, no job security, and sketchy career progression.
All the best to those who want to live in Doha. For those that take the time to interview, as has been mentioned by numerous posters on this site and pprune, don't be too disappointed by the ACTUAL compensation package on offer. The current package on offer is easily attainable all over the internet, and obviously to those that have interviewed. Not a bad overall package, just not great for saving for, and building, a retirement nest egg. Great place for RJ drivers or turbo prop guys to get some heavy jet time and return to their home legacies, or go to Asia and make good money as a DEC. Just make sure you do your homework on what you will actually end up with at Qatar, pay and savings wise...and the reputation that the company "enjoys" within the international and domestic pilot community, regarding job satisfaction and QOL.
All the best to those who want to live in Doha. For those that take the time to interview, as has been mentioned by numerous posters on this site and pprune, don't be too disappointed by the ACTUAL compensation package on offer. The current package on offer is easily attainable all over the internet, and obviously to those that have interviewed. Not a bad overall package, just not great for saving for, and building, a retirement nest egg. Great place for RJ drivers or turbo prop guys to get some heavy jet time and return to their home legacies, or go to Asia and make good money as a DEC. Just make sure you do your homework on what you will actually end up with at Qatar, pay and savings wise...and the reputation that the company "enjoys" within the international and domestic pilot community, regarding job satisfaction and QOL.
08-02-2015, 10:17 PM
#114
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Also people, Qatar Airways is really NOT for everyone....I recommend going to the interview if invited and getting a personal real feel of the place...In all fairness to our fellow pilots, yes, many pilots in Qatar Airways have been burned due to real garbage reasons...Yes, there are some nationalities in Qatar Airways which have their own Mafia...They WILL be a hinderance to your success at QR if you happen to **** them off even inadvertently....Even the CEO won't be able to help you on that one because there are just way too many of them in the Mafia..You may not get fired due to the CEO's involvement but these people will give you a tough time in ways that are undetectable...In this case, even if you are Chuck Yeager, you will still most likely not upgrade to Captain...This problem has been in QR since it started and very little has been done to improve this...Air India pilots often fight in their cockpits so that should give you a big hint of who these trouble makers are..
. All in all QR is a great job but to be fair I thought I should disclose the negatives as well...Also most people here are shocked at the QR pay rates...Well, you shouldn't be..99% of the pilots will fly as normal FO's or Captains and will never make it to management positions..Management positions are the ones that pay the big bucks as previously listed...So, when you make your decision to come to QR then you must base it solely on FO and CA pay rates which are 13k and 17.5k U.S all in....Again, it's what you make of it at QR and who knows some reader may become the next EVPO there but by all means do come with your eyes open..Everyone may not be as lucky as I was with QR...Also, not all pilots who belong to the nationality of that mafia are bad but the ones who are bad, yes, they will make your life a living nightmare...Also readers, yes QR DOES have 18,000 applications on file as of this week so I would highly recommend attending a road show if it comes up..That's the easiest way to get an interview...Hope this helps..Overall, yes, for American pilots offered a job with a Legacy Carrier in the U.S, you will have much more job security due to unionization...In QR, it's all who you know as far as job protection is concerned...You may not get fired for sleeping around but you can get fired for drinking fresh squeezed orange juice from first class..It happens...I realize that my situation here is different so I shouldn't give fellow pilots false hope as to how their career here may look like mine...It probably won't...Also, nothin like the good ole U.S of A anywhere in this World...We Americans(I immigrated to the U.S as an infant) usually have an open mind about things but not all people think the way we do..Qatar is a very nice place but it's not all rosy for everyone so yes do your homework and check the place out thoroughly before making the move...See if you can get along with these diverse nationalities here, for the most part people here are fair and everybody is treated equally but there can be issues...All in all, I do change my opinion and recommend American pilots to try to get a U.S legacy job first before going abroad...There are many things such as freedom that yes money CANNOT buy...Qatar Airways is a great airline but it's not perfect as in any other airline...
. All in all QR is a great job but to be fair I thought I should disclose the negatives as well...Also most people here are shocked at the QR pay rates...Well, you shouldn't be..99% of the pilots will fly as normal FO's or Captains and will never make it to management positions..Management positions are the ones that pay the big bucks as previously listed...So, when you make your decision to come to QR then you must base it solely on FO and CA pay rates which are 13k and 17.5k U.S all in....Again, it's what you make of it at QR and who knows some reader may become the next EVPO there but by all means do come with your eyes open..Everyone may not be as lucky as I was with QR...Also, not all pilots who belong to the nationality of that mafia are bad but the ones who are bad, yes, they will make your life a living nightmare...Also readers, yes QR DOES have 18,000 applications on file as of this week so I would highly recommend attending a road show if it comes up..That's the easiest way to get an interview...Hope this helps..Overall, yes, for American pilots offered a job with a Legacy Carrier in the U.S, you will have much more job security due to unionization...In QR, it's all who you know as far as job protection is concerned...You may not get fired for sleeping around but you can get fired for drinking fresh squeezed orange juice from first class..It happens...I realize that my situation here is different so I shouldn't give fellow pilots false hope as to how their career here may look like mine...It probably won't...Also, nothin like the good ole U.S of A anywhere in this World...We Americans(I immigrated to the U.S as an infant) usually have an open mind about things but not all people think the way we do..Qatar is a very nice place but it's not all rosy for everyone so yes do your homework and check the place out thoroughly before making the move...See if you can get along with these diverse nationalities here, for the most part people here are fair and everybody is treated equally but there can be issues...All in all, I do change my opinion and recommend American pilots to try to get a U.S legacy job first before going abroad...There are many things such as freedom that yes money CANNOT buy...Qatar Airways is a great airline but it's not perfect as in any other airline...
08-02-2015, 10:47 PM
#115
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One more thing...Do not mistake Pakistani's in QR as Indians...The Pakistani's are not in any mafia so to speak...They are mostly very smart, friendly good stick and rudder pilots from PIA, the U.S and Europe......They have no beef with anyone...I am neither Pakistani nor Indian...I am just trying to paint the real picture of QR...There are many good Indian pilots as well but unfortunately the Indian population in QR exceeds any other nationality thus the formation of their click/mafia.....Many of these Indian Pilots were 24 year old inexperienced 737ng Captains in India who came to QR as 777 Captains and became very senior at a young age but lacking basic CRM and social etiquette....The thing is that boat loads of these types came to QR over the years into different fleets and formed their click which is very harmful to QR and QR employees...This is one problem in QR worth mentioning..Again, nothing racist here, these are just the facts that you will read about on here or PPrune forums....
08-03-2015, 09:20 AM
#116
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Originally Posted by A330Pilot
Well you don't have to take my word for it...You can ask anyone in Pilot Recruitment about the conditions and how many applications are on file from around the Globe and they will gladly tell you...
I would like to hear from others about the so-called "Mafia".
08-03-2015, 02:05 PM
#117
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Originally Posted by captjns
Out of the 18,000 apps... Probably 5 to 10% ma be qualified with time and type ratings. Then weed out the bunch running away from issues at home. Then QR may wind up with perhaps a whopping 2% of the mass that may make the grade. The majority of the 18,000 applicant re not applying with QR because they are the be all end all airline. That would be naive of one... don't you think?
I would like to hear from others about the so-called "Mafia".
I would like to hear from others about the so-called "Mafia".
08-03-2015, 08:45 PM
#118
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330 - your numbers are wrong.
Line holders get 1100-1200 pay hrs a year x their hourly rate. So $250/hr is $300,000 + 15%-16% retirement. Reserves make about 90% of their hourly x 1000. So $250/hr is about $225K a year.
So line holding n/b CA's make $250-270K + 15-16% retirement.
Effective tax rate is more like 25-30%.
QOL? Hard to beat loving in your own country.
Line holders get 1100-1200 pay hrs a year x their hourly rate. So $250/hr is $300,000 + 15%-16% retirement. Reserves make about 90% of their hourly x 1000. So $250/hr is about $225K a year.
So line holding n/b CA's make $250-270K + 15-16% retirement.
Effective tax rate is more like 25-30%.
QOL? Hard to beat loving in your own country.
08-04-2015, 11:19 AM
#119
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
330 - your numbers are wrong.
Line holders get 1100-1200 pay hrs a year x their hourly rate. So $250/hr is $300,000 + 15%-16% retirement. Reserves make about 90% of their hourly x 1000. So $250/hr is about $225K a year.
So line holding n/b CA's make $250-270K + 15-16% retirement.
Effective tax rate is more like 25-30%.
QOL? Hard to beat loving in your own country.
Line holders get 1100-1200 pay hrs a year x their hourly rate. So $250/hr is $300,000 + 15%-16% retirement. Reserves make about 90% of their hourly x 1000. So $250/hr is about $225K a year.
So line holding n/b CA's make $250-270K + 15-16% retirement.
Effective tax rate is more like 25-30%.
QOL? Hard to beat loving in your own country.
Reserves will credit 75 hours a month....Maybe line holders can credit a 100 hours in a month but you can't do that every month...My friend who is a 777 Captain at Delta who is in the single digit seniority there says he credits a 1000 hours a year in flight pay n about $7,000 in per diem..He gets any trip he desires so therefore his first choice on schedules n time off...Yes he has it very good but he also points out that it took him a lifetime to get there..Yes it is good to live in your own country...But where else are you going to become a 777 Captain in 6 years other than the ME3?
08-04-2015, 08:05 PM
#120
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I'm averaging 100 hrs per month. It was 104-105 except I had a low month due to vacation. I've credited around 1100 hrs for years. The highest credit hours in a year get up to around 1400 hrs(not me).
You don't have to be "single digit seniority" to achieve more than 1000 credit hours. It's available to any line holder.
You don't have to be "single digit seniority" to achieve more than 1000 credit hours. It's available to any line holder.
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