It is amazing how $42B in government subsidies, no pesky labor protections or a free press allows you to 'motivate' your employees and pimp out your cabins.

Then there are the poor folks who built all that infrastructure.

Human rights organizations have complained about violations of human rights in Dubai. Most notably, some of the 250,000 foreign laborers in the city have been alleged to live in conditions described by Human Rights Watch as being "less than humane." The mistreatment of foreign workers was a subject of the disputed 2009 documentary, Slaves of Dubai.

Then there is Qatar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Qatar

We are talking about airline service and customer service in general and not about a country's human rights record. Plenty of countries in the world make the list for human rights violations, and the US is on that list as well.

Check into a 5 Star hotel in India for example (Oberoi, Taj Group) and then do the same in the US. You will be enlightened, I guarantee it!

And how the ME3 are able to offer the service they do. It is built on a complete lack of labor protections, massive government subsidies ($42B in ten years) and massive dumping of seats around the world. It is no different than countries dumping steel or high def TVs.

Passengers should know what their fares are supporting.

Passengers search for the best fare and good service when they can get it. It is unlikely that most have any real concern about labor protections at the ME3. It's a bit like the reaction you get sometimes from pax when you delay or cancel a flight because of a safety related issue. No thanks to you!

Some will never get it. Some will justify why they should have it. It's why evil is taken a grip on humanity. We all seem to justify our little position. I would not be caught dead in a ME carrier.

I recently flew Economy on an Asian -380 from JFK-ICN. The seats are wider, with more legroom, than normal coach seats. The entertainment screen was very large. I would say I had about the same room on the Asiana 380 economy seat, as I do on a CRJ-700/900 "First Class" seat. I was very surprised at the amount of room offered, and the size of the screen. I would have no problem flying in Economy on a -380...

The question of subsidies is a pretty difficult one. The US carriers do work closely together with european legacy carriers, all of whom were government owned just a few years ago and many of which have still at least half their fleet bought by their country, like for example lufthansa, air france or KLM, not to mention outright government owned airlines like South African, Air Namibia, Malaysian etc. All of whom receive substantial subsidies as well. And of course several legacy carriers are either now part-owned by one of the dreaded ME carriers or work very closely with them. For example british airways and Iberia's parent company has a major shareholder in Qatar Airways, Qantas works very closely with Emirates, Air Berlin is financed by Abu Dhabi and all chinese carriers are basically government entities.

On the other hand the construct of chapter 11 is very unique and allows easy restructuring and getting rid of unwanted, old contracts and could be seen as an organizational subsidy. See for example the fate of the pension systems that used to exist in the US carriers.

As someone who is dependent on gulf state money, but enjoys a much better labour protection than US employees will ever dream of, i can see several sides of the argument.

Wife and I got left behind in MXP a few months ago by DL due a last minute Payload Optimized flight. We thought we had got lucky after seeing our names cleared into FC but the gate agents called us up right before boarding and delivered the unfortunate news.

Our Plan B was to buy a last minute ZED on EK, which left MXP-JFK only about 3 hrs later on the A380 and my word, that has got to be the most comfortable Economy class seat I've ever sat in and I'm 6'3" >280lbs. Someone mentioned it being akin to a CRJ FC seat and it's not far off! Entertainment and Cabin service was really top notch. Just reporting my own personal experience. YMMV.

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The US airlines shed BILLIONS of dollars in debt via bankruptcy court alone. UAL took over $200,000 per year from my parents by obliterating their pensions. (Thankfully they were very successful investors). So don't expect an ounce of support from me





As per your quote above Mr pilotguy

Can you tell us your name so we can make sure you don't use your parents employment to get a preferential interview at UAL


So don't expect an ounce of support from us either
Maybe we can do a little research to find your identity as well

Thank you
DEN TK

[QUOTE=Sniper66;2138601][QUOTE=PILOTGUY;2135939

The US airlines shed BILLIONS of dollars in debt via bankruptcy court alone. UAL took over $200,000 per year from my parents by obliterating their pensions. (Thankfully they were very successful investors). So don't expect an ounce of support from me





As per your quote above Mr pilotguy

Can you tell us your name so we can make sure you don't use your parents employment to get a preferential interview at UAL


So don't expect an ounce of support from us either
Maybe we can do a little research to find your identity as well

Thank you
DEN TK[/QUOTE]

Sooo... You're OKAY how old UAL screwed their employees and management went home to their homes where mortgage payments were not an issue.

Righhhhhhht.... And your favorite Koolaide flavor is?:rolleyes:

Sooo enlighten us.... how many airline bankruptcies and pension terminations have you been through sport?