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Pogey Bait 10-01-2016 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by Rahlifer (Post 2214444)
An rj button pusher is not a real captain.

Correct. He/She is a flight instructor.

DFWEnvoyCRJ 10-01-2016 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2214490)
How ironic. That RJ you made CA on at age 24 was during a time when RJs bloomed and mainline DC9s, 727s, 737s, MD80s were parked and allowed for your quick upgrade to happen. Curious, how many legacy pilots were on furlough when you upgraded at 24? Talk about working for a fraction of what a traditional crew used to make? Pot calling kettle black. The RJ replaced mainline planes, mainline routes, and mainline pilot jobs.

Mainline pilots gave up scope in their contracts, and if mainline would hire pilots with just CFI experience then no one would want to go to a regional. You act as if people want to go to a regional carrier because it's their dream job. People go because they have to to get hired at mainline

hindsight2020 10-01-2016 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by DFWEnvoyCRJ (Post 2214710)
Mainline pilots gave up scope in their contracts, and if mainline would hire pilots with just CFI experience then no one would want to go to a regional. You act as if people want to go to a regional carrier because it's their dream job. People go because they have to to get hired at mainline

Well in the spirit of being pedantic, that is not technically true. What you're highlighting is an economic Prisoner's dilemma, and that is a real dynamic indeed.

silver fleet 10-01-2016 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by busdriver12 (Post 2214315)
There must be no college degree requirement.

The US is one of very few countries that puts emphasis on having a 4 year degree commensurate with a technical trade. In Europe, your path is established early i.e.: technical school, university, trade school etc. They have a more defined path to professional positions. Not perfect, but at least you dont have to spend a $h*t tonne of money getting a degree AND your ratings!

Molon Labe 10-01-2016 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by silver fleet (Post 2214748)
The US is one of very few countries that puts emphasis on having a 4 year degree commensurate with a technical trade. In Europe, your path is established early i.e.: technical school, university, trade school etc. They have a more defined path to professional positions. Not perfect, but at least you dont have to spend a $h*t tonne of money getting a degree AND your ratings!

Lufthansa, puts the pilots into ab initio after a baccalaureate in engineering.....

ShyGuy 10-01-2016 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Rahlifer (Post 2214596)
This is what I was alluding to with my snarky comment. The last 15 years saw the loss of thousands of mainline pilot jobs that were replaced by unqualified children in a ridiculously large fleet of RJs. I'm not throwing stones from some high perch. I'm also someone the "benefited" from the explosive growth of RJs at an enourmous cost. I contributed to the outsourcing of my future career yet as a starry-eyed 20 something, I was too blind to see it. It's just nice to see the end of the RJ era. Hopefully the same mistakes won't be made.

Agreed. I too benefit from it to start the career, but let's not forget what the RJ did especially after 9/11 in the 2002-2007 timeframe. Thousands of mainline pilots and mainline planes furloughed/parked while the RJs boomed and young pilots came into the industry for pennies on the dollar compared to the legacy standard.

sidestep 10-01-2016 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by Pogey Bait (Post 2214707)
Correct. He/She is a flight instructor.

Maybe the most accurate post i've ever seen.

Used2BeFlyer 10-01-2016 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 2214350)
3 words....ab initio training

Ab initio and Multi Crew Pilot License - so he's stuck at F.O. and for the one airline only.

Flyboyxc91 10-01-2016 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by Used2BeFlyer (Post 2214964)
Ab initio and Multi Crew Pilot License - so he's stuck at F.O. and for the one airline only.

That's if he was only an MPL but I concur what a suck way to be a "pilot" with no license and being at the controls..... The equivalent of a drivers permit almost.

captjns 10-01-2016 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 2214656)
20-year-olds were flying loaded B-17's in the dark of winter in formation for 4 hours to flak-ringed German cities defended by clouds of fighters. And back to a fog-shrouded base possibly with a damaged aircraft and wounded crew.
It can be done.

Yeah, but they weren't faced with the perils of crew meals, tantamount to hazardous materials.:D


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