NEDude

I gave you my full disclosure in my last post:
"I already have a nice job with a small European charter airline and I am quite content to stay right where I am. But I have seen the effect that Norwegian has had on my salary because my pay and work schedule has improved in order to try and stem the tide of pilots going to Norwegian. So I am quite happy to see Norwegian hiring."

Regarding the pilots who go to Norwegian having to spend their career with subpar wages: Do you really think things will stay exactly as they are now forever? If so you have not been in the industry very long. Did the pilots who went to PeoplExpress in the 1980s suffer from subpar wages for their entire careers? Some of those guys are now senior United Captains in case you were not aware (PeoplExpress bought by Continental...Continental merged with United). Southwest used to have very subpar wages, but spent much of the 2000s and early 2010s as the best paying U.S. passenger airline.

Lastly, how do you see NAI jobs based in FLL as going "overseas"? Did Ft Lauderdale secede from the union and I miss it?

webecheck

Come on man, if NAI isn't what it's accused of being, why did NAS create them in the first place?...Wouldn't be so much of an uproar on both sides of the pond if it was legit.

The company jobs which aren't required to turn the plane and live at the base will leave. Additionally, the profit from said operations will no longer belong to and be reinvested in the US economy. What does get reinvested will be minimal compared to what it would have been had a US company transported those pax.

NAI and ME3 fit the Trump narrative. I'll be shocked if he doesn't address this.

Braniff DC8

This is getting silly now. I guess all those code shares the major U.S. carriers signed off on, with the pilot's endoresement, is ok but NAI is wrong??? Really now? Sorry but that is utter hypocricy and nonsense. You can't, you won't, have it both ways. I am with NEdude here. I always love how jumpseats get used as a tool to punish people. It's why a lot of airlines keep taking it out of the Captains hands.

Stop making empty threats because threats can go both ways. Will you also be threatening customers/passengers that choose to fly on NAI? If they connect to say a DAL flight will you be denying them? NO you won't, you would be fired. The same as if JetBlue denied an Aer Lingus pax. So, you'll use the jumpseat, which you know can't happen anyway, as a tool/threat.

I'm surprised at all this and am dissappointed in my American brothers for such things.

Probe

ALPA in the 90's led the charge to keep RJ's from mainline carriers. Who did this benefit? The major airlines, and ALPA's coffers.

We ended up outsourcing 40% of our jobs to airlines that were basically crew leasing companies, who then bid their work out to the lowest bidder.

Were pilots that went to fly RJ's scabs? It could be argued that they took our mainline jobs. Unfortunately, this happened with the support and concurrence of ALPA.

I don't like NAI, and I hope they eventually get rejected. But their employees are just folks looking for work. Just like the underpaid crews that work at Mesa.

NEDude

It is very simple once you get past the conspiracy theory stuff:

It is called aircraft utilisation. Norway does not have open skies treaties with much of the world, but it is part of the US-EU Open Skies treaty. So an aircraft on the Norwegian AOC can only fly to the US and back and limited by slot times at US Airports, which is exactly what they have been doing for a few years. By establishing an EU AOC, which they are allowed to do under the European Economic Area agreement, they could not only take advantage of the EU-US treaty, but all the other EU treaties. So an aircraft on the NAI AOC can now be utilised to fly to the United States and back, and then fly on to South Africa, or Asia, on a short turnaround and thus be better utilised. That is why NAI was created.

The Norwegian AOC was approved by the DOT several years ago without any fanfare. The pilots based in Bangkok, all of the contracts the ALPA is up in arms about, are all assigned to the long approved Norwegian AOC. In other words, if you have not picked up on it yet...Norwegian did not require NAI, or Ireland, to "lower labour standards". Everything ALPA is accusing them of having done, was done through the Norwegian AOC and was in full compliance with Norwegian labour law. They did not need Ireland to establish contracts, or a Bangkok base, as this was ALREADY DONE with the approved Norwegian AOC.

So even if you choose to ignore the fact that Ireland does comply with EU labour laws and is a party to the treaty, none of that matters because everything ALPA is up in arms about was already done with long approved Norwegian AOC and in full compliance with Norwegian law. They have not used any provision or opportunity created by the Open Skies treaty to "lower labour standards". None of what they have done was made possible by an opportunity created by the US-EU Open Skies Treaty. At the absolute worst, they have used provisions or opportunities created by other treaties to which the US has not part of to "lower labour standards" with NAI.

animation

Plain and simple

sweetholyjesus

Well said. No one seemed to care about their countrymens' careers when pilots voted scope away to pad their own paychecks. I'm sure these same outraged pilots would support NAI in a heartbeat if there was a nickle in it for them..

blockplus

Umm. Pilots who fly nai aircraft dont work for nai. They arent nai employees they have no rights from nai. They work for a company called OSM aviation and operate according to them. It's like a mesa pilot flying a ual aircraft and saying they work for United.

NEDude

Or they work for Global Crew UK LTD.

CousinEddie

Or Under-Cutters Pizza?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdfztAY3qoU