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Old 02-13-2017, 10:16 AM
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From another Braniff DC8 guy, if you look at ALPA's history you will find they have a pretty bad labor history. They always went after the money, which left smaller carriers out of luck in a competitive market. In that regard they were frequently no better than trump.
Don't forget to include the Clintons with their foundation and pay-for-play scheme. Need to give credit where credit is due.
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Old 02-13-2017, 10:22 AM
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We're not talking about regionals. We're talking about good paying legacy/major jobs. The kind that most of us got into this business for and aspired to.

What's happened at the regionals is a disgrace and I get an evil grin every time I hear about one of them having to cancel flights due to a shortage of pilots. It's self-induced. Hopefully NAI and their ilk will have to do the same.
Gotcha... Gotta protect the guys on top, the rest be damned. Makes perfect sense now.
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Old 02-13-2017, 11:09 AM
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Gotcha... Gotta protect the guys on top, the rest be damned. Makes perfect sense now.
Bull$7it. That's not what I said so quit trying to put words into my mouth. For the record I came up through the regional ranks and paid my dues as well. The difference was that when I was qualified to move onto a legacy the industry was in the toilet post 9/11.

Now we finally have the good jobs back at the legacies and yet some of you continue to make excuses for not defending those jobs aggressively. Seriously, w-t-f is wrong with some of your lines of reasoning?!

Even IF you don't find yourself at one of those legacy jobs, they help lift the entire piloting profession up. Think about it.
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Old 02-13-2017, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER View Post
Bull$7it. That's not what I said so quit trying to put words into my mouth. For the record I came up through the regional ranks and paid my dues as well. The difference was that when I was qualified to move onto a legacy the industry was in the toilet post 9/11.

Now we finally have the good jobs back at the legacies and yet some of you continue to make excuses for not defending those jobs aggressively. Seriously, w-t-f is wrong with some of your lines of reasoning?!

Even IF you don't find yourself at one of those legacy jobs, they help lift the entire piloting profession up. Think about it.
Calm down, sparky. All I'd like to see is this kind of fervor and tenacity from my "union" not only to prevent this garbage from happening at the major level, but stop its practice at the regional level. You wouldn't believe how many of my FOs have no sympathy for national ****ing and moaning about NAI, when that same "union" has allowed that to perpetuate at our level for so long. But, I guess we're just paying our dues. I've had 3 FOs who have interviewed at NAI, supposedly. Can't blame them. They have families to feed, and our union mainline partner has let our well compensated union operation wither and die, while they give our nonunion sister company lucrative contracts. Never saw any outrage over that. But, yeah... brotherhood and unity... Rah rah rah. :-/
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^ Well said. Mesa just picked up 12 E175s and will be flying them for Q200 rates just like the rest of their jet fleet.. Where's the outrage?
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Old 02-13-2017, 06:08 PM
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^ Well said. Mesa just picked up 12 E175s and will be flying them for Q200 rates just like the rest of their jet fleet.. Where's the outrage?
You'll see the outrage when they legacies start outsourcing to the regionals and encroaches on their territory. Other than that, they don't give a rats a$$ about the regional guy.
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Will people start blaming ultra low-cost pilots from Spirit, Frontier and Allegiant for reduced legacy margins on overlapping routes too?

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Old 02-13-2017, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns View Post
You'll see the outrage when they legacies start outsourcing to the regionals and encroaches on their territory. Other than that, they don't give a rats a$$ about the regional guy.
jns how's things?

Seen that movie before though.....and the Guppy killer stickers on the flight bags back in the day. Showed how much the employed regional guy cared about the newly unemployed mainline guy. It cuts both ways.
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How about we just accept the fact that everyone who is at a different airline other than your own is a _______. They are the competition, they are undercutting, they encroaching, they are stealing jobs, etc.
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Seen that movie before though.....and the Guppy killer stickers on the flight bags back in the day. Showed how much the employed regional guy cared about the newly unemployed mainline guy. It cuts both ways.
Sure, and how did it all start? Somebody had to vote in that scope clause. Shows how much the senior mainline guy cared about the newly unemployed junior mainline guy OR the now underpaid regional guy.
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