Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Foreign
SAS to start up flag of convenience operation >

SAS to start up flag of convenience operation

Search
Notices
Foreign Airlines that hire U.S. pilots

SAS to start up flag of convenience operation

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-06-2017, 04:52 AM
  #1  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 147
Default SAS to start up flag of convenience operation

Ive been saying it for a while: its not Norwegian we need to be worried about, its the precedent Norwegian is setting. Just like the US Maritime industry, we can and should expect more and more companies to adopt or be established under this model. The question is will the big 3 be able coexist with these flag of convenience operators, unlike the US cruise lines were? A lot of you say yes, but I think it is more likely history will repeat itself.

SAS complements its production with a new air operator certificate (AOC) and bases outside Scandinavia

February 1, 2017 08:30 / Capital market, SAS News / English

SAS’s strategy is to focus on those customers who travel frequently to, from and within Scandinavia. SAS continuously develops its offering and network to meet this customer group’s needs. The air travel market in Europe is experiencing intense price pressure and rising demand for leisure travel. To secure the company’s long-term competitiveness and to take an active role in the growing leisure market, SAS is now taking a further step to reduce the cost differential to newly established competitors.

If SAS is to secure the long-term profitability of key traffic flows and actively participate in the growing leisure market, SAS must have the same preconditions as other market participants. Therefore, SAS has decided to establish a new AOC in Ireland with operational bases in London and Spain. The aim is for the new operations to be up and running from winter 2017/2018, providing a smaller number of departures as a complement to SAS’s existing production.

“In line with SAS’s strategy of focusing on those customers who travel frequently to, from and within Scandinavia, the majority of SAS’s airline operations will continue to be based in Scandinavia moving forward. The establishment of new bases means we can complement our Scandinavian production and, in time, build an even broader network with a superior schedule to the benefit of our customers,” says Rickard Gustafson, SAS President and CEO.

The aircraft based in London and Spain will have the same customer offering and appearance as other airline operations at SAS and with corresponding requirements in terms of safety and standards.

At the start, smaller start-up costs for the new AOC and new bases are expected to impact earnings. Initially, the financial effects from operations at these bases will be small, but will gradually increase as operations grow.

In parallel with establishing the new AOC, SAS has planned further structural measures for its operations, in line with those announced in the 2015/2016 year-end report.
50SeatsofGrey is offline  
Old 02-06-2017, 03:50 PM
  #2  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 239
Default

We knew it was a just a matter of when if NAI happened.
Not long is the answer.

Hopefully ALPA and others will win this fight!
ridinhigh is offline  
Old 02-06-2017, 06:55 PM
  #3  
Gets Weekends Off
 
The Dominican's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: 747 captain
Posts: 1,549
Default

Subsidiaries with pilots hired through contract agencies has been going on for over 15 years.
The Dominican is offline  
Old 02-06-2017, 09:49 PM
  #4  
Gets Weekends Off
 
NEDude's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,067
Default

Originally Posted by The Dominican View Post
Subsidiaries with pilots hired through contract agencies has been going on for over 15 years.
Yep, very common in Europe. It is just a bit new to the long haul side of things.
NEDude is offline  
Old 02-07-2017, 03:06 AM
  #5  
On Reserve
 
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 11
Default

So common. They even do it down under with JetConnect flying for Qantas.
turkeyburger is offline  
Old 02-07-2017, 03:37 AM
  #6  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 147
Default

The real issue is the flag of convenience scheme. The fact that they use contract labor is just a kick to the beanbag.
50SeatsofGrey is offline  
Old 02-07-2017, 07:56 AM
  #7  
Gets Weekends Off
 
The Dominican's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: 747 captain
Posts: 1,549
Default

Originally Posted by 50SeatsofGrey View Post
The real issue is the flag of convenience scheme. The fact that they use contract labor is just a kick to the beanbag.
Yeah......, you mean like Endeavor? Gojets and the likes?

How about Copa? You guys are complaining to the high heavens that this will destroy jobs in the US....., Well, How about UCAL forming a flag of convenience company in Panama and competing into the US market with pilots making 60% of what the NAI pilots are making?

Or DAL investing big into Aeromexico and GOL and competing with their mainline workers on the same markets paying a LOT less than what NAI is paying? A captain at Aeromexico makes about 7 or 8 grand a month....., they are flying 787's purchased with the investments of the mainline carriers flying into the US market.

You want to be the cat chasing the laser pointer handled by the same ****faces that sold everyone out with the regional feeds back in the day........., be my guest
The Dominican is offline  
Old 02-07-2017, 10:03 AM
  #8  
Gets Weekends Off
 
CousinEddie's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,083
Default

Originally Posted by The Dominican View Post
Yeah......, you mean like Endeavor? Gojets and the likes?

How about Copa? You guys are complaining to the high heavens that this will destroy jobs in the US....., Well, How about UCAL forming a flag of convenience company in Panama and competing into the US market with pilots making 60% of what the NAI pilots are making?

Or DAL investing big into Aeromexico and GOL and competing with their mainline workers on the same markets paying a LOT less than what NAI is paying? A captain at Aeromexico makes about 7 or 8 grand a month....., they are flying 787's purchased with the investments of the mainline carriers flying into the US market.

You want to be the cat chasing the laser pointer handled by the same ****faces that sold everyone out with the regional feeds back in the day........., be my guest
You can bet that Aeromexico captain is at least relieved by the fact that he lives on $8K per month in MEX, not JFK. Or in any major Scandinavian city for that matter.

https://www.quora.com/How-good-is-a-...in-Mexico-City
CousinEddie is offline  
Old 02-09-2017, 07:19 AM
  #9  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 29
Default

Laser light illumination, 12 O'clock.
The real Mike O is offline  
Old 02-11-2017, 08:18 PM
  #10  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Shindo's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 128
Default

Originally Posted by ridinhigh View Post

Hopefully ALPA and others will win this fight!
Hah, they are just now figuring out the rj debacle.
Shindo is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
CitationJason
Part 135
52
06-22-2017 11:29 AM
Tweetdrvr
Military
1
04-27-2013 10:48 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices