GogglesPisano

Wingdeagle:

I get what you're saying. But forgive us if we don't relish the thought of temp agencies and short-term contracts rearing their ugly head in the US where one can secure a legacy job and be fairly set for life (barring another 9-11 event -- but then who would be safe?)

And yes there are plenty of ACMI/regional guys who will apply there. Market forces will prevail, but peer pressure and fear of blacklisting will hopefully have an influence.

Wingdeagle

Goggles, we actually agree. I do not want the agencies to infiltrate the US market. As I wrote, it's a unique pilot market and protecting it is just as important as letting other pilots make their choices - elsewhere please, where the model of contract pilot not only works, but keeps an entire industry afloat. I chose this route and so did many others. Live and let live, but do not lower standards !

I have no answer how to stop NAI spreading their wings on US soil, but I doubt peer pressure and fear of blacklisting will work. Remember GoJet and all the cries and threats and the Jumpseat denials. They are still around and the cries subsided many years ago.

Guys had a chance to fly a shiny new jet, no one was hiring and they said f..k it. Quite a few are at the legacies nowadays.

We can bash all the current and future NAI crews as long as we want and as long as it makes us feel better, but this will not stop this virus spreading. Unless the government steps in, I really do not know how to stop them.

I would certainly hate to see the US airline industry slowly going the path of European airlines (and contrary to what some people say, the European market IS broken).

Cheers :-)

Andy

Here's why you're off the mark.

The US is the holy grail of airline passenger traffic. The US dwarfs the rest of the world in passengers and revenue. Every Fifth Freedom flight authorized to the US chips away at that holy grail.

The second part is that after WWII, two US airlines were given Fifth Freedom rights in Europe and two US airlines were given Fifth Freedom rights in the Pacific.
IIRC, Delta has inherited both Europe and Asian Fifth Freedom rights.
United has inherited Asian Fifth Freedom rights.
I don't know who has the second European Fifth Freedom right.

Almost all of those Fifth Freedom rights by US carriers is not being exercised. Likely due to airline alliances.

No, US pilots and carriers do not want to see expanded Cabotage.

Flyby1206

Just as an addition, the US-EU Open Skies treaty allows for any US airline to fly 5th freedom through the EU. But nobody makes use of it.

The701Express

I can see the 321LR changing that. Shannon has customs preclearance and makes a good stepping stone to points east of there.