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Old 02-08-2017, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by NEDude View Post
According to the chief U.S. negotiator, the chief E.U. negotiator, the U.S. DOT attorneys and the E.U. Article 17bis does not apply to NAI and does not constitute a legal basis for the denial of the operating permit. The people who wrote and enforce the agreement say it does not apply. Are you claiming that the people who wrote the agreement do not understand it?
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Can the airlines sue? Do they have standing? What about the employee groups? Unions?

Anyone smart enough to comment on that?
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:38 PM
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Allow me to be devil's advocate ...

If NAI is agreeing to use 50% American pilots and to buy Boeing airplanes, what is the problem?


Don't assume this scheme won't be a threat to cargo airlines as well.
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox View Post
Question for the discussion:

Can the airlines sue? Do they have standing? What about the employee groups? Unions?

Anyone smart enough to comment on that?
****Caveat****

I'm an airline pilot, not a lawyer, so my opinion on this is worth about what you payed for it...

It's hard to imagine that unions or employees have standing in an international agreement. It seems like the governments would represent their citizens, so exiting an agreement would require elected representatives to opt out.

Here is what looks to be a very good source for the actual text of the agreements.

https://gsa.gov/portal/content/103191
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Old 02-08-2017, 01:09 PM
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Just out of plain curiosity NEDude, why are you such a proponent of NAI's strategy? I've read the other thread and seen your numerous posts defending them. I'm curious why you have such a strong stance towards their side of the argument?
If you have read my many posts, you will know why because I have mentioned it many times.

The growth of Norwegian has created upward pressure on pilot salaries here in Europe (where I live and work). I have seen the pay at my current employer increase in part because of pilots leaving to go to Norwegian. I have seen the schedules at the airline my wife works for get significantly better in order to help retain pilots who have been looking at Norwegian. So in short, I am a believer that the more pilot jobs there are the better it is for all of us. I have yet to see a situation where less pilot jobs makes things better.
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Old 02-08-2017, 01:14 PM
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He works for a European ULCC who will do feed for NAI. He will benefit from NAI's success so his credibility is nil. He seems to want pilots in the US to suffer and make less money for some reason.
Incorrect, but nice try. I do not work for any company that has any association with Norwegian or its subsidiaries. Guess again. You were close though, I do work for a European airline.
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Besides, everyone in America "knows" we all make $300K a year and work 2 weeks a month. What are we complaining about?

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That is a slippery slope on many levels. Common folks would not mind so much if everyone payed their way. They know that most guys in that position had opportunity handed to them.
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Old 02-08-2017, 01:35 PM
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I'm fine with NAI as long as we can reel in the ME carriers. The legacys can adapt as long as we are on a level playing field. Actually I would say US carriers are probably the best, most nimble carriers in the world. They have been fighting tooth and nail for a very long time under intense domestic competition. If cabotage was allowed IMO we would wipe the floor with the European carriers like FedEx is doing right now.
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Originally Posted by Name User View Post
I'm fine with NAI as long as we can reel in the ME carriers. The legacys can adapt as long as we are on a level playing field. Actually I would say US carriers are probably the best, most nimble carriers in the world. They have been fighting tooth and nail for a very long time under intense domestic competition. If cabotage was allowed IMO we would wipe the floor with the European carriers like FedEx is doing right now.
I completely agree with this statement. The U.S. legacies can adapt and should order airplanes like the A321LR and 737-8MAX to counter this competitive threat. NAI won't have feed in the U.S. but they will likely have feed in Europe via Ryanair.
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by NEDude View Post
Incorrect, but nice try. I do not work for any company that has any association with Norwegian or its subsidiaries. Guess again. You were close though, I do work for a European airline.


Ok, why keep it such a secret? Please elaborate on why you seem to spend what appears to be the effort of a full time gig posting on a United States centric pilot forum cheerleading the demise of the lifelong, hard sought after American pilot jobs if you have no skin in the game. Do you want to work for NAI? Are you even a pilot? If so, who do you work for and why do you spend so much time day in and day out defending the likes of NAI which only serves to degrade the pilot profession globally? What say you about SAS mimicking NAI's idea in Ireland and please explain why they would want to pick that particular country to start an ULCC? Please properly introduce yourself and explain why this is so important to you along with your angle and perhaps people can better understand why you feel the way you do. I'm positive just about anyone here would gladly tell you who they work for and why the feel the way they do. If you can't do the same, you have zero credibility.

I'm sure the Lorenzo's and Kjos' of the world applaud your tireless efforts.

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Old 02-08-2017, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF View Post
Don't assume this scheme won't be a threat to cargo airlines as well.
Don't assume because I'm a cargo pilot I'm not worried about the NAI situation.

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