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Old 11-18-2017, 06:31 PM
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It would appear someone forgot to arm their spoilers. Coupled with their high, fast approach to a contaminated runway with a tailwind...well, what could possibly have gone wrong?
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Old 11-22-2017, 09:58 AM
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Some Options management guy just sent out an email to all pilots claiming the approach was stable. Ref and 50 is now the definition of stable? Good to know.
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Old 11-22-2017, 11:51 AM
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After speaking with another Gulfstream pilot he mentioned ref for a 450 is about 140. Given that there was about 11 knots of tailwind that lowers their indicated to about 173 so 33 knots fast. Should never have even tried the approach. And if contaminated then max is 5 knots of tailwind.
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Old 11-22-2017, 12:23 PM
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My bad, only ref and 33. That makes it all just peachy. 🙄
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Old 11-30-2017, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bjtdrvr View Post
After speaking with another Gulfstream pilot he mentioned ref for a 450 is about 140. Given that there was about 11 knots of tailwind that lowers their indicated to about 173 so 33 knots fast. Should never have even tried the approach. And if contaminated then max is 5 knots of tailwind.
The alternate was too far away for the pax to drive, so they had to make it. Pressure from management to complete the trip no matter the cost?
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Old 11-30-2017, 05:19 PM
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Ha. Word from management was that the "approach appeared to be stabilized"! So if that is the case then at 900 feet they had a smokn 44 knot tailwind! Can we say Sugar Land!!!!?
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Old 12-01-2017, 05:39 AM
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So that makes 4 overruns in 4 years. Adding in the other 2 from CGF and the 1 at BWI for a total of 7. Is there a pattern here?
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Old 12-11-2017, 03:42 AM
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Reason mgmt is backing him is because he's one of those out of seniority "chosen ones ". Just so glad I got out of that dump.
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Old 12-12-2017, 01:28 PM
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Attrition is increasing, that is s for sure.
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Old 12-19-2017, 07:21 PM
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First, the ground speed you see on flight aware isn't always accurate. Case in point: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...644Z/KPHX/KNYL

It says they were doing 180 mph at landing. That was literally the first flight I tried after randomly typing a number after AA. It happened to be a SkyWest flight.

My point is, it is hard to know what they were actually doing.

Second, Flight Options has a propensity for running aircraft off the end of the runway. In large part because they push their pilots to complete flights regardless of risk, they run them until they are fatigued, they don't apply contaminated runway numbers to the factored runway rule and they have redefined stabilized to be Vref + 20. Yes, they changed the last one recently, but it stays a habit. FLOPS is a product of their own bad policies. Now Flex is becoming contaminated with the same bad policies and pilots.
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