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Old 07-24-2018, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyfalcons View Post
So.......what is the "right thing", and how was the union standing in the way?
For one thing, the decert crowd said that 2N had 12 million to divide between the pilots. While they were bragging that the Phenom pilots got a 30% raise, reality was the raise was less than 5%.

So recently a pilot called fatigue. He got a phone call from a senior management person and that person asked if they were using a PTO day? The pilot said no and that this was a fatigue call. The pilot said that if you are charging me a PTO day, send me home. The pilot didn't get sent home. We will see what the pay stub reads.
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Old 07-24-2018, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by fooled2x View Post
For one thing, the decert crowd said that 2N had 12 million to divide between the pilots. While they were bragging that the Phenom pilots got a 30% raise, reality was the raise was less than 5%.

So recently a pilot called fatigue. He got a phone call from a senior management person and that person asked if they were using a PTO day? The pilot said no and that this was a fatigue call. The pilot said that if you are charging me a PTO day, send me home. The pilot didn't get sent home. We will see what the pay stub reads.

I mean this in the nicest way possible, but how stupid does anyone have to be to believe it would have gone any differently? If management did things out of kindness, unions wouldn’t exist. It pains me that grown adults think otherwise...
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Old 07-28-2018, 11:05 AM
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And as of today, the standing policy for Domestic Red Label is now being enforced just like in Large Cabin Red Label;

THERE ARE NO HARD DAYS OFF AT FLEXJET

(in Red Label programs). You are just like the majority of corporate pilots out there in that you work on standby. Your duty can be extended for days because another pilot on your team is sick or cannot coming to work. In that case you or your third team member on his days off will have to cover it.

This is a big quality-of-life issue. Your time off is not guaranteed anymore. Consider it if you are intended to apply there.

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Old 07-28-2018, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Ifly4food View Post
And as of today, the standing policy for Domestic Red Label is now being enforced just like in Large Cabin Red Label;

THERE ARE NO HARD DAYS OFF AT FLEXJET

(in Red Label programs). You are just like the majority of corporate pilots out there in that you work on standby. Your duty can be extended for days because another pilot on your team is sick or cannot coming to work. In that case you or your third team member on his days off will have to cover it.

This is a big quality-of-life issue. Your time off is not guaranteed anymore. Consider it if you are intended to apply there.
Makes it hard to get in a doobie now and again.
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Old 07-28-2018, 03:26 PM
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See, I told you so just isn’t going to cut when Ricci finishes walking all over the Onesky pilot group.

I’m sure this will thin out the true believers a bit as 2N likes to keep them at about 20% of the seniority list.

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Old 07-28-2018, 03:28 PM
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As a FO it doesn't affect you at all. Your days are your days.
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Old 07-28-2018, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikec View Post
As a FO it doesn't affect you at all. Your days are your days.
FO’s eventually become CA’s.
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Old 07-28-2018, 04:00 PM
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To a red label captain? Chances are slim and no time soon for sure.
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Old 07-28-2018, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikec View Post
To a red label captain? Chances are slim and no time soon for sure.
Well, actually, yes, you can go from FO to Int’l RL CA. To hold domestic RL you only need to agree to work with guys close to you on the seniority list, and have the most senior group. And yes, most of today’s new FO’s are going to enjoy some sweet right seat Phenom and Lear time, and then some more left seat time for the better part of two decades before their 3 man Cell gets the RL nod.

Still, this should open your eyes a bit. KR wants only dedicated crewing. It’s his idea of how things should go, and there’s not much stopping him from working the RL model all the way down to the Flex regional fleets. Not anymore anyway.
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Old 07-29-2018, 03:47 AM
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At least on the domestic RL side you will get paid OT for those days.
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