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Old 04-08-2018, 09:51 AM
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I can't imagine a 10 year FO career at NJA followed by 10 more years as an FO at WN. Some guys will literally die in the right seat.
Yea but they will die in the right seat with millions more in retirement, pay and increased QOL.
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Old 04-08-2018, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy37 View Post
10 year NJ SIC 97297
10 year WN SIC 176/hr plus profit sharing and dc 401k

I'd rather die in the right seat at SWA than in either seat of a phenom
Yea I know guys with 12 days off a month at WN, on year 3 salary making 180k. The salary difference alone is staggering.
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Old 04-08-2018, 10:35 AM
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NetJets has had Captains leave for SWA, knowing they may never see the left seat. Takes longer to break even but in the long run they're better off and quality of life is better, especially if they live in base.
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Originally Posted by flyguy37 View Post
10 year NJ SIC 97297
10 year WN SIC 176/hr plus profit sharing and dc 401k

I'd rather die in the right seat at SWA than in either seat of a phenom
I don't disagree. I'm just pointing out that post 2005 NJA hires going to WN are forever going to be a day late and a dollar short on their career. 20-25 years as an FO just isn't all that appealing. WN is 'all that' today but so was NJA post 2005. I think those guys are late to the party at two carriers in a row now and should be looking elsewhere.
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Old 04-08-2018, 05:23 PM
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Aside from pay, what's so great about being an airline captain?
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Originally Posted by HwkrPlt View Post
Aside from pay, what's so great about being an airline captain?
The cool hat!
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Old 04-08-2018, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by HwkrPlt View Post
Aside from pay, what's so great about being an airline captain?
Show of hands, please: How many corporate/fractional pilots have voluntarily resigned from a gainfully employed position to accept a job offer at an airline ? How many airline pilots in a gainfully employed (*) position have voluntarily resigned to accept a corporate/fractional job offer ?
(*)- By gainfully employed, I mean the usual definition, plus the absence of an impending furlough, severe downsizing, or bankruptcy threat.
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Old 04-08-2018, 06:12 PM
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NetJets has had Captains leave for SWA, knowing they may never see the left seat. Takes longer to break even but in the long run they're better off and quality of life is better, especially if they live in base.
16-18 year captains have left recently and more in the pipeline.

QOL here on the road stinks these days.
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Old 04-08-2018, 06:59 PM
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16-18 year captains have left recently and more in the pipeline.

QOL here on the road stinks these days.
I know, that's why I don't mind being on Med LOA. Have no intention of returning, which is good because I probably couldn't if I wanted to. At least not without sacrificing my health by going off the medication that's keeping me grounded. Since my last flight almost a year ago I've lost 35lbs, down to my lowest weight since 1989-90 time frame. Waist has gone from 38" to 34". I put in at least 4 miles on an incline trainer almost every day. Virtually stress-free life. Pay is low, but I planned and saved knowing I'd most likely have to do this one day. After Harvey Watt kicks in down the road I'll be pretty comfy.
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12 days a month worked before vacation and sick leave. 38 days less than your 7/7 schedule. 185K at year 10 (with the ability to work as much as I want if I want to nearly double my pay - I don't). I fly 700 hours a year. A lot by 121 standards. The difference between my 700 and your 700 (if you fly the Challenger and actually block that much) is that I do mine without those extra 38 days spent rotting in a chair at Signature.

26K company contribution to my 401k without me putting in a dime. Profit sharing (economy dependent - not guaranteed) about 23K this past year. Zero premium time flying to get these numbers. Captain upgrade is about 10 years at the moment. It should come down a little for the guys hired after me.

The question is, do you cut your losses and go 121? Or do you hold out hope you'll get to fly with your favorite captain and still work 38 to 70 days more per year for roughly what an FO makes in the 121 world? This is in no way trying to brag. Go to UPS, Delta, United, or Fedex and you'll kill my pay numbers at year 10. Hell, go to American and you'll likely be a wide body captain by year 10.

Airline jobs have had huge ups and downs over the years with pay cuts and furloughs. It could happen again any day. But at this particular point in time it has never looked better to make that leap of faith. At worst, you will likely break even and get to work a little less. And don't forget that at the end of a trip you walk off the airplane without lifting a finger in the back. No cleaning, no dealing with catering, no finding that lost transportation for the owner, no dumping lavs, etc. You just walk away. If you have to commute, that is a downside. But not enough to talk yourself out of this side of the fence. The time is now. Stop putting it off. Get those applications in.
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