Originally Posted by stbloc

Does NetJet have any other scheduling options then 7/7?

Originally Posted by stbloc

Does NetJet have any other scheduling options then 7/7?

Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver

1) They will not be “deprived of employment.” They can continue to work, even as a pilot. Given the current state of the pilot job market, there are plenty of Part 91 operators in need of experienced and typed corporate pilots. At least if a 91 operator is desperate enough to hire a pilot eligible for Social Security. They just shouldn’t be allowed to continue to fly for an operator that holds out to the public (121, 135, 91K). Those passengers have NO SAY on who is in the cockpit and the courts have ruled repeatedly that those operators are obligated to a higher standard of care than a purely private operator.

2) Some, many even, DESERVE to be deprived of employment as a pilot because they no longer have any business being in a cockpit.

Adopting a holier-than-thou attitude about an issue already deemed a “bona fide job requirement” elsewhere in the industry is ridiculous.

Discrimination? What a joke.

Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver

Many. Something inaccurately named “Crew Choice.” It’s a two-beer conversation...

Originally Posted by AirBear

I'm sitting here bored (coming up on 1 year of medical leave) so I'll do a data dump on the schedules :

7&7 is the default schedule once training is finished and you're signed off. The Crew Choice schedules refer to how many days worked in a 4 month period. Current period is Jan-Apr (I think). They can "borrow" up to 2 days from one month to another in the same period.

There's a CC54 that pays less than 7&7. Capped at around 10% and goes senior.

CC60 pays same as 7&7, you work almost the same number of days. I think 7&7 works out to 15.2 days per month whereas CC60 will average 15 days, but can flex from 13-17. 2nd year F/O pay on these schedule is $65,720.

CC72 averages 18 days per month, again +- 2. 2nd year F/O pay is 23% higher at $80,178. This is the schedule you'll be on until IOE is complete.

CC76 averages 19 days per month and pays 30% more than 7&7. 2nd year F/O pay is $85,436. Same +- 2 day rule, so you could work 21 days in a month, but you'd have a 17 day month somewhere in there too.

On the 72 and 76 you can sign up for 8 day tours and get an extra 3% pay. Overtime, holiday pay, and other "soft money" usually runs around 10% but of course is not guaranteed.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the CC60 is a bit hard to get, however the CC72 and 76 are not. They are capped at a max percentage but it's very, very, rare for someone not to be awarded those schedules.

Originally Posted by tm602

Unless you're on the 72 or 76. Then its a whiskey and cocaine discussion.

Originally Posted by AirBear

I'm not saying NetJets is a great place to be. If you're on the south side of 50 you'd be crazy not to jump to an airline with the current pay. I say our medical is fantastic because:

a) it's free
b) no annual deductible to meet before benefits kick in (except pharmacy)
c) copay in network are $20 flat for an office visit, $100 for Urgent Care visit, $150 for ER or Hospital Admission. Your wife has a baby, it's $150 for the wife and $150 for the baby. Period.

I've done both career paths. Major airlines for 15 years, then NetJets for 14 years. I was in my late 40's when starting with NetJets (2005 time frame) and it was a good deal then. Not so much now unless you want to fly for a Fractional Operator. I especially liked not having to commute and living 15 minutes from the FBO. During my airline career I was only based at home for maybe 2 years out of 15. Being a lineholder in base was very, very, nice. Even senior reserve was pretty good.

I'm out on medical and probably not going back. I don't really want to anyway, but if NJA could rein in scheduling and do something like an AM/PM schedule option I wouldn't mind returning. I'm a night owl and have landed the jet as late as 0430 and been fine doing that. Early mornings not so fine thou.

Other than the early shows I really liked NetJets over the airlines. After 14 years it was still very rare NOT to see a new airport on a tour. Airlines were like the Groundhog Day movie. I got to fly into a lot of very interesting places, some very challenging places too. Several times I've RON'd at unattended airports, once even having to dig rocks out of a ditch to use for chocks. And there's also the sometimes interesting pax we carry. I'm a news junkie and once flew a major network anchor who spent a few minutes talking to me. That was very cool, a bigger deal for me than the sports and entertainment people I flew.

By the time things got pretty good at the major airlines it was too late for me to be changing jobs. If someone likes the kind of flying Fractionals do and don't mind the lower pay vs. airlines then it's still a good deal.

Originally Posted by mooneymite

Age has been used to disqualify pilots in the past just as race was used to disqualify people in the past. It was wrong then, it is wrong now.