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Old 04-26-2018, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Airline industry isn't watching. I only know because I'm a moderator and look at a bunch of stuff on APC. Sounds like Flex needs the union, but there's no risk of ALPA getting decertified at any airline. Well who knows about some dumpster fire regional. But if any of the big boys decertified, it would only be to change to another union... no major is going open shop.


APA, SWAPA, CAPA all made position statements in support of 1108 as early as last week. ALPA published one yesterday. Yes, this has everyone's attention.
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Old 04-26-2018, 07:48 AM
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I get there won't be any questions about it. But just having Flexjet as an employer will be a minus. Union leaders and volunteers are well aware of this assault on collective bargaining. I get comments in the terminal when I'm air lining, and my friends are asking me questions about how this could be. So you can't say this isn't on the radar.
It's definitely on the radar. But at the same time, I wouldn't say it's an automatic knock against you. And the fact that you're at least trying to escape from that asylum shows you're not completely crazy.

The guys who've burned too many bridges will never move on. For the ones who've played it smart, there is still hope.
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Old 04-26-2018, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by frmrdashtrash View Post
APA, SWAPA, CAPA all made position statements in support of 1108 as early as last week. ALPA published one yesterday. Yes, this has everyone's attention.
Of course the union HQs are watching. But nobody else in the airline industry knows or cares, and that includes rank and file pilots.
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Old 04-26-2018, 08:45 AM
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Of course the union HQs are watching. But nobody else in the airline industry knows or cares, and that includes rank and file pilots.
Agreed. And the only reason I still follow it is because I used to work there.

The great majority of the guys I fly with don't even know what a fractional is.
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Old 04-26-2018, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Of course the union HQs are watching. But nobody else in the airline industry knows or cares, and that includes rank and file pilots.
Well, there are a few former Flex at Southwest who watch their list for guys. They have friends still at Flex. I know that personally.
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Old 04-26-2018, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Of course the union HQs are watching. But nobody else in the airline industry knows or cares, and that includes rank and file pilots.
The unions have the list of Flex/Options non dues payers. Getting hired elsewhere could be more difficult if this goes through.
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Old 04-26-2018, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Of course the union HQs are watching. But nobody else in the airline industry knows or cares, and that includes rank and file pilots.
This is incorrect. This has the close attention of every NJA pilot that has a pulse and the internet. Anyone who keeps up industry affairs knows what is going on. The bubble is bigger than you are making it I assure you.
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Old 04-27-2018, 12:14 PM
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This is incorrect. This has the close attention of every NJA pilot that has a pulse and the internet. Anyone who keeps up industry affairs knows what is going on. The bubble is bigger than you are making it I assure you.
I said nobody in the AIRLINES knows about it, so no fractional pilot is going to get black listed by association from airline jobs. I know it's a big deal in fractional land.

Although ALPA did include an article in their daily blast email today, so more folks know about it now.
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Old 04-27-2018, 12:17 PM
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I said nobody in the AIRLINES knows about it, so no fractional pilot is going to get black listed by association from airline jobs. I know it's a big deal in fractional land.

Although ALPA did include an article in their daily blast email today, so more folks know about it now.
Yea and I said you are incorrect. I work for an airline and know about it, and I have never worked for Flexjet. Anyone who remotely stays up on aviation industry affairs, would know about this. Especially anyone in any kind of union position.

If you think for one second that the list won't be made public, and all the anti union names won't be subject to scrutiny and possible black listing from other jobs, you are crazy.
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Old 04-27-2018, 12:41 PM
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And pilots are starting to avoid Flexjet. The last class had to be cancelled because no one showed up for it. That came from a guy in the training center.
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