Flyrr

rickair,
Plenty of pilots have left Flexjet or Flight Options for other carriers and they still have friends that they spent 15 to 20 years with in the cockpit. That also spreads the word. When 90% to 95% of pilots are Unionized there is no reason not to support the Pilot Union at the Company you currently work for! You never now when the person that has your career in their hands knows how you behaved in the past when it mattered!

rickair7777

Fully agree. Just saying there's no general black listing of fractional or regional employees because of the union status of their pilot group, most major airlines pilots are oblivious, and non pilot recruiters don't care at all.

fooled2x

You keep repeating this idea of a general blacklist of fractional pilots. First of all, if there was a list, it would include the no voters, not every one. Second, if there was a list, the no votes could claim intimidation to throw out the vote when they lose. So I will make the claim that there is NO blacklist yet.

Jetlife

There is an ALPA list of delinquent members that gets published monthly I believe. Also, if this decert goes though, the list will be made public. I assure you there is a list who willfully don’t pay union dues, and certainly a list of no voters could be made public after as well.

I’m not saying it will black list every pilot indefinitely but it will for sure not help anyone’s chances of leaving Flex/Flops to an airline or to NetJets. You think the union pilots on the hiring board will allow somebody to come over that was involved in throwing out the union? Come on now...

rickair7777

Yes that's what I keep saying.

Casa212

Folks there is no voodoo blacklist.
Your vote is confidential, Onesky management ,nor the Union mill know how You vote.
From the horses mouth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEkj...ature=youtu.be

Blutarsky

No voodoo blacklist, but this came from a friend who left Flexjet about a year ago:

I've been gone from Flex for a year now at an ALPA carrier. I receive the ALPA daily news e-mail every day and yesterday's e-mail contained a headline about the decert effort at Flex. Not only has ALPA, and all the other major unions sent letters of support, ALPA has seen fit to include the news in their daily e-mailer. On top of that, you'd have have to be delusional to think that a union member on the new-hire committee or interview board won't know the history of the decert effort, regardless of how it turns out. The HR folk may not be aware, but the union person will be. I've been told that it's possible that a Felxjetter may not even get an interview when their resume or application is reviewed by the interview board. All it takes is for one member, presumably the union member, of the board to say "no" to either an interview invite or a job offer. The point of this post is to convey the message that actions have consequences. It's just the way it is. Agree with it or not. Here's the article linked to in the ALPA e-mailer. https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...ots-keep-union

There are consequences for our actions.

Casa212

I can't change what people think or do or have experienced. I'm just posting what the union is saying, and also what the decert group put out, Your vote is confidential.
How the COMPANY got the names of the people who did and didn't sign cards, I don't know, I can only speculate.

FNGFO

There’s 571 names on the seniority list. That’s your black list. It’s a small enough group that they can just turn every Flexer down. The 121/91k unions are watching, and decert undercuts things they’ve worked decades for. I would suspect that they’ll have long memories for those on the wrong side of history.

rickair7777

The procedures vary by airline, and not many have a union rep on the hiring panel... management does NOT want union status to play a role in hiring, as that would promote stronger unions. Hiring is managment's ballgame, unless somebody has it in the CBA that the union gets a vote.

That said, there will almost certainly be pilots, but they might be CP's, who may not have a lot of love for the union. Or it might be a rank-and-file type who could very well inject a union flavor in his decisions.

But there's no precedent in airlines of formally blackballing an entire pilot group because of what 51% did. Individuals may get held accountable for the own actions, although alpa actually sucks at following through on even that.

All that said... decert is a bad idea and a step in the wrong direction. Anyone who goes on public record advocating that might have trouble (if he ever wanted to leave).