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Old 09-07-2018, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Macjet View Post
It's because they're the worst pilots and they have the highest failure rates of any demographic of pilot hired at an airline. Period.

The 91/135 world is a wildcat arena that lacks standardization, SOP's, or any real training. The biggest challenge at FlightSafety, SIMCOM, or CAE is getting your check to clear.

Take it from a former 91, 135, 91K, and sim instructor who did manage to get to an airline when I tell you that that hurdle is higher for non-121 applicants and you're far behind your 121 regional peers. It will be harder for you to get hired and you'll struggle in training. It isn't impossible but it is far more difficult.

If you want to work for an airline then go to work for an airline.
LMAO. You have issues dude. The transition from NJA to SWA was the easiest transition in my life. The job at SWA is infinitely easier. SWA is hiring NJA pilots for every class. In my experience NJA pilots are some of the best in the industry. Having said that if someone is looking for the fastest route to a major airline go to a regional where you will fly more, upgrade infinitely quicker and log 121 time. Your on the road QOL will be much better too.
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Old 09-07-2018, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Finny McCool View Post
LMAO. You have issues dude. The transition from NJA to SWA was the easiest transition in my life. The job at SWA is infinitely easier. SWA is hiring NJA pilots for every class. In my experience NJA pilots are some of the best in the industry. Having said that if someone is looking for the fastest route to a major airline go to a regional where you will fly more, upgrade infinitely quicker and log 121 time. Your on the road QOL will be much better too.
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Old 09-07-2018, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Finny McCool View Post
LMAO. You have issues dude. The transition from NJA to SWA was the easiest transition in my life. The job at SWA is infinitely easier. SWA is hiring NJA pilots for every class. In my experience NJA pilots are some of the best in the industry. Having said that if someone is looking for the fastest route to a major airline go to a regional where you will fly more, upgrade infinitely quicker and log 121 time. Your on the road QOL will be much better too.
Congratulations but your comments are irrelevant to the question asked. 91/135/91k guys have the highest failure rate of all new hires. They perform worse in training than prior 121 and .mil applicants. The main reasons being the lack of standardization and SOP's at most of these places. Are there exceptions? Absolutely. If 80% of those hires are successful then 8 out out 10 will be here saying 'that's BS man, you have issues, I made it, etc' whereas 2 will be saying, 'I didn't make it'. We have several NJA, Flex, Shares, Joe Bob's Charter, etc here at Spirit. But that does not change the underlying FACT that that demographic has the most trouble getting through training. As such, you are going to have a harder time getting hired at a major/LCC/ULCC coming from a 91/135/91K than you would if you came from a 121 or .mil. Spirit and all the others know this and you will have a higher hurdle to cross than anyone else. I'll say it again; if you want to work for an airline then go to work for an airline. 1000 hrs/year in an RJ will do more for your career and seniority than 200-600 hrs/year in a BizJet.
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Old 09-07-2018, 11:34 AM
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I’ve not heard of a single NJA guy ,or girl having issues after moving onwards and upwards , not a single one, I think that’s a 100% success rate, SWA, FEDEX, DAL, et al ....u cant keep em on the farm : )
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Old 09-07-2018, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Macjet View Post
Congratulations but your comments are irrelevant to the question asked. 91/135/91k guys have the highest failure rate of all new hires. They perform worse in training than prior 121 and .mil applicants. The main reasons being the lack of standardization and SOP's at most of these places. Are there exceptions? Absolutely. If 80% of those hires are successful then 8 out out 10 will be here saying 'that's BS man, you have issues, I made it, etc' whereas 2 will be saying, 'I didn't make it'. We have several NJA, Flex, Shares, Joe Bob's Charter, etc here at Spirit. But that does not change the underlying FACT that that demographic has the most trouble getting through training. As such, you are going to have a harder time getting hired at a major/LCC/ULCC coming from a 91/135/91K than you would if you came from a 121 or .mil. Spirit and all the others know this and you will have a higher hurdle to cross than anyone else. I'll say it again; if you want to work for an airline then go to work for an airline. 1000 hrs/year in an RJ will do more for your career and seniority than 200-600 hrs/year in a BizJet.
I haven't heard of many NJA pilots who have gone to Spirit. The one's who have come to SWA have done awesome in training. Standardization is not much different between the two companies. Have fun trolling.
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Old 09-07-2018, 12:09 PM
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Doesn’t Netjets train Part 121?
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Old 09-07-2018, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Macjet View Post
Congratulations but your comments are irrelevant to the question asked. 91/135/91k guys have the highest failure rate of all new hires. They perform worse in training than prior 121 and .mil applicants. The main reasons being the lack of standardization and SOP's at most of these places. Are there exceptions? Absolutely. If 80% of those hires are successful then 8 out out 10 will be here saying 'that's BS man, you have issues, I made it, etc' whereas 2 will be saying, 'I didn't make it'. We have several NJA, Flex, Shares, Joe Bob's Charter, etc here at Spirit. But that does not change the underlying FACT that that demographic has the most trouble getting through training. As such, you are going to have a harder time getting hired at a major/LCC/ULCC coming from a 91/135/91K than you would if you came from a 121 or .mil. Spirit and all the others know this and you will have a higher hurdle to cross than anyone else. I'll say it again; if you want to work for an airline then go to work for an airline. 1000 hrs/year in an RJ will do more for your career and seniority than 200-600 hrs/year in a BizJet.
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I know of a few NJA guys that have gone to Spirit, but I know a lot more that have gone on to SWA, Delta, AA, UAL, UPS and Fedex. Haven't heard of one issue. You're painting with a broad brush and doing a pretty poor job of it.
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Old 09-07-2018, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by btodd77 View Post
Mac,

I know of a few NJA guys that have gone to Spirit, but I know a lot more that have gone on to SWA, Delta, AA, UAL, UPS and Fedex. Haven't heard of one issue. You're painting with a broad brush and doing a pretty poor job of it.


Well said....

NetJets has one of the most talented and professional pilot groups in American Aviation. Top Notch, awesome pilots. The safety record speaks for itself. I was proud to be there, and the training was better than most of the 121 operators I’ve been at. NetJets Pilots have transitioned to Big Brown with absolutely no problem at all. Our company loves them (us) and has spoken very highly of the pilots that have come over.



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Old 09-07-2018, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by G550Guy View Post
Well said....

NetJets has one of the most talented and professional pilot groups in American Aviation. Top Notch, awesome pilots. The safety record speaks for itself. I was proud to be there, and the training was better than most of the 121 operators I’ve been at. NetJets Pilots have transitioned to Big Brown with absolutely no problem at all. Our company loves them (us) and has spoken very highly of the pilots that have come over.



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Except for that one X pilot who went to UPS for a while and a captain who didn’t make it at JetBlue, overall the training and flying at NJ translates well to most legacy jobs.
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Old 09-08-2018, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy37 View Post
Except for that one X pilot who went to UPS for a while and a captain who didn’t make it at JetBlue, overall the training and flying at NJ translates well to most legacy jobs.
I went from 28 years at Delta to NJA. Flight Safety training at Columbus was essentially the same as Delta training. If one can make it at NJ's FS, he can certainly make it at Delta. Both are highly structured around SOP's.

As one data point: my son was hired by SWA a couple of years ago. He had all the SWA required minimums, but no 737 type, almost all part 91 time, very little 135 time, no 91K, or 121 time. He had no insider pulling for him. He's a white male. Oh...he had no problems with SWA training whatsoever.
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