jetlag7

This was a hypothetical exercise to illustrate $130,000 in year 1 is not attainable.

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jetlag7

I checked once, double-checked in case I missed something, then triple-checked just to be sure.....

Nothing about that "darned FOI" tells us to ignore the research.

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Retractable

Haha.

Really.

Regency of experience as it relates to learning and performing tasks.

It’s very applicable.

Fourth times a charm.

Clearly, a book of research cannot talk to you and tell you to ignore anything. You’re doing that yourself. Good job!

jetlag7

Recency of experience certainly has an effect on performance, but 30 years of DOD / DOT accident data and research clearly implicate fatigue-related impairment of cognitive abilities the prime contributor to non weather or mechanical-related accidents.

Considering the FOI has nothing to do with the effects of fatigue as it relates to safety of flight, it's puzzling why you keep referencing it in this context.

Of course, this was originally a discussion about Year 1 pay..... Nice attempt at a mis-direct, but none of your math demonstrates how a First-year pilot realistically earns $130,000.

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Retractable

I dunno man.

I don’t think you illustrated much of anything to anyone.

But thanks.

If a pilot tries really hard and has no life... it looks like they can make $130k first year here. Maybe...

You might not like that.

You might waive the safety card.

That wasn’t the question.


It’s a question of numbers.

jetlag7

Yes it is. So far, the only number you provided was a 15% Base/Gross override -- which does not bring a Year 1 FO anywhere near $130,000.

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Finny McCool

Wait, 22 days a month, every month, for the whole year of NJA torture?

YGTBFSM.

Retractable

That wasn’t the question.

Or debated.

NIDHTBFSU.

Peloton

Okay last year as a year 11 FO on the 76 CC I made 137844.87. That’s what it is. I worked the 76 CC the entire time. The way it works on the CC is all the meaningless holidays they give you off, so no extra pay except for the three big ones. Those you will be at work, not working but be at work. This was on a small cabin fleet. I did use all 4 weeks of vacation and 12 sick days.

There is NO way possible for a year 1 guy to make anywhere north of 100K let alone 130K. That’s a guarantee. Talking to a few new hires they were going to be in low 70s...then after that the pay raises keep up with inflation in an economic sense.

Egliderjet

First of all, New hires don’t get any sick or vacation. They earn it one month at a time. If you are lucky to be hired in fall before a vacation bid, you may be able to get some vacation time off in the first year. You get 0 PTO time until year 2, then it’s only 3 year 2, and goes up 1 a year till you max out at 7.

Also, if you where to “sell back” these things you would have to wait until the END of your third year assuming you were hired Jan 1. You need to earn 24 days of sick time before you can cash out, and any vacation sell back would be submitted in the fall to sell back your vacations that would occur year 3.

Now, if you volunteer to fly all but the absolute min legal days off per quarter, AND the company takes you up on every single one of them, you may be able to get to that 130k mark year one. I believe the math would literally work out to 313 days on the road (26 days a month) Your better off going to Kallitta, go fly King airs in the desert, or go get a job with the forest service. You will far exceed that “130k” number and be gone less.




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