The real FlexJets?
09-14-2018, 09:39 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by JMO127
Been in Fractional/135 most of my career along with a short stint in 121. The 121 life is terrible IN MY OPINION. ( I know personal opinion's freak you guys out and all).
09-14-2018, 12:54 PM
#22
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We will see?!?! He just announced they will be published in 4 weeks. That’s the second round FYI!
JMO, you’re my new best friend...I must know you!
And I would not say Run in regards to the dumbos post above. 121 is def not what people think or say. Like JMO said, it’s stale coffee from laquinta and McDonalds as you run to your next gate. I’ll enboy my five star dinners at Flex, have fun in the terminal!
JMO, you’re my new best friend...I must know you!
And I would not say Run in regards to the dumbos post above. 121 is def not what people think or say. Like JMO said, it’s stale coffee from laquinta and McDonalds as you run to your next gate. I’ll enboy my five star dinners at Flex, have fun in the terminal!
09-14-2018, 01:23 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by SmarterThanYou
We will see?!?! He just announced they will be published in 4 weeks. That’s the second round FYI!
JMO, you’re my new best friend...I must know you!
And I would not say Run in regards to the dumbos post above. 121 is def not what people think or say. Like JMO said, it’s stale coffee from laquinta and McDonalds as you run to your next gate. I’ll enboy my five star dinners at Flex, have fun in the terminal!
JMO, you’re my new best friend...I must know you!
And I would not say Run in regards to the dumbos post above. 121 is def not what people think or say. Like JMO said, it’s stale coffee from laquinta and McDonalds as you run to your next gate. I’ll enboy my five star dinners at Flex, have fun in the terminal!
Not a single former Frac pilot turned major airline pilot I know is clamoring to go back to 91k/135. That includes former G pilots and not just Phenom FO’s.
You simply do not understand how hard you’re working, how much responsibility is being put upon you, how Mickey Mouse your work rules are, and how unprotected/insecure your seniority number is until you leave for the majors.
The Frac lifestyle is for some people, and some will prefer it. But stop trying to compare the two. Because you truly don’t know. You can talk 5 star meals and bag on running to gates, but I can very easily point out cleaning lavs, rolling rest and 10/24 warnings.
And know this too, even a lowly ULCC Captain (yes even Frontier when their contract goes through) makes more than Global and G captains at a place like Flexjet, and they don’t have to be flexible with the rules to ensure their bonus.
So if Frac life is right for you then have at it. I certainly enjoyed much of what I did. But the truth is that you don’t know. And it shows.
09-14-2018, 05:17 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by FNGFO
No. It’s isn’t. Not even the ULCC’s stay at LaQuinta. More BS from “121” pilots who really only ever worked at a regional.
Not a single former Frac pilot turned major airline pilot I know is clamoring to go back to 91k/135. That includes former G pilots and not just Phenom FO’s.
You simply do not understand how hard you’re working, how much responsibility is being put upon you, how Mickey Mouse your work rules are, and how unprotected/insecure your seniority number is until you leave for the majors.
The Frac lifestyle is for some people, and some will prefer it. But stop trying to compare the two. Because you truly don’t know. You can talk 5 star meals and bag on running to gates, but I can very easily point out cleaning lavs, rolling rest and 10/24 warnings.
And know this too, even a lowly ULCC Captain (yes even Frontier when their contract goes through) makes more than Global and G captains at a place like Flexjet, and they don’t have to be flexible with the rules to ensure their bonus.
So if Frac life is right for you then have at it. I certainly enjoyed much of what I did. But the truth is that you don’t know. And it shows.
Not a single former Frac pilot turned major airline pilot I know is clamoring to go back to 91k/135. That includes former G pilots and not just Phenom FO’s.
You simply do not understand how hard you’re working, how much responsibility is being put upon you, how Mickey Mouse your work rules are, and how unprotected/insecure your seniority number is until you leave for the majors.
The Frac lifestyle is for some people, and some will prefer it. But stop trying to compare the two. Because you truly don’t know. You can talk 5 star meals and bag on running to gates, but I can very easily point out cleaning lavs, rolling rest and 10/24 warnings.
And know this too, even a lowly ULCC Captain (yes even Frontier when their contract goes through) makes more than Global and G captains at a place like Flexjet, and they don’t have to be flexible with the rules to ensure their bonus.
So if Frac life is right for you then have at it. I certainly enjoyed much of what I did. But the truth is that you don’t know. And it shows.
09-14-2018, 05:54 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by FNGFO
No. It’s isn’t. Not even the ULCC’s stay at LaQuinta. More BS from “121” pilots who really only ever worked at a regional.
Not a single former Frac pilot turned major airline pilot I know is clamoring to go back to 91k/135. That includes former G pilots and not just Phenom FO’s.
You simply do not understand how hard you’re working, how much responsibility is being put upon you, how Mickey Mouse your work rules are, and how unprotected/insecure your seniority number is until you leave for the majors.
The Frac lifestyle is for some people, and some will prefer it. But stop trying to compare the two. Because you truly don’t know. You can talk 5 star meals and bag on running to gates, but I can very easily point out cleaning lavs, rolling rest and 10/24 warnings.
And know this too, even a lowly ULCC Captain (yes even Frontier when their contract goes through) makes more than Global and G captains at a place like Flexjet, and they don’t have to be flexible with the rules to ensure their bonus.
So if Frac life is right for you then have at it. I certainly enjoyed much of what I did. But the truth is that you don’t know. And it shows.
Not a single former Frac pilot turned major airline pilot I know is clamoring to go back to 91k/135. That includes former G pilots and not just Phenom FO’s.
You simply do not understand how hard you’re working, how much responsibility is being put upon you, how Mickey Mouse your work rules are, and how unprotected/insecure your seniority number is until you leave for the majors.
The Frac lifestyle is for some people, and some will prefer it. But stop trying to compare the two. Because you truly don’t know. You can talk 5 star meals and bag on running to gates, but I can very easily point out cleaning lavs, rolling rest and 10/24 warnings.
And know this too, even a lowly ULCC Captain (yes even Frontier when their contract goes through) makes more than Global and G captains at a place like Flexjet, and they don’t have to be flexible with the rules to ensure their bonus.
So if Frac life is right for you then have at it. I certainly enjoyed much of what I did. But the truth is that you don’t know. And it shows.
Isn’t challenged by anyone, so not sure why you’re stressing that. Though I do know red label challenger and legacy guys that brought home around $250K-$300K working 15-18 day months.
To touch on your point...I have had one 10/24 warning in 2018, I’ve never cleaned a lav and I never will, and my rest is always ample...maybe I’m lucky ☺️ Work rules are horrible??? Not sure what you mean there, we have a pretty good life here. And I don’t have to waste money on a union that provides nothing.
09-14-2018, 05:55 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by FNGFO
No. It’s isn’t. Not even the ULCC’s stay at LaQuinta. More BS from “121” pilots who really only ever worked at a regional.
Not a single former Frac pilot turned major airline pilot I know is clamoring to go back to 91k/135. That includes former G pilots and not just Phenom FO’s.
You simply do not understand how hard you’re working, how much responsibility is being put upon you, how Mickey Mouse your work rules are, and how unprotected/insecure your seniority number is until you leave for the majors.
The Frac lifestyle is for some people, and some will prefer it. But stop trying to compare the two. Because you truly don’t know. You can talk 5 star meals and bag on running to gates, but I can very easily point out cleaning lavs, rolling rest and 10/24 warnings.
And know this too, even a lowly ULCC Captain (yes even Frontier when their contract goes through) makes more than Global and G captains at a place like Flexjet, and they don’t have to be flexible with the rules to ensure their bonus.
So if Frac life is right for you then have at it. I certainly enjoyed much of what I did. But the truth is that you don’t know. And it shows.
Not a single former Frac pilot turned major airline pilot I know is clamoring to go back to 91k/135. That includes former G pilots and not just Phenom FO’s.
You simply do not understand how hard you’re working, how much responsibility is being put upon you, how Mickey Mouse your work rules are, and how unprotected/insecure your seniority number is until you leave for the majors.
The Frac lifestyle is for some people, and some will prefer it. But stop trying to compare the two. Because you truly don’t know. You can talk 5 star meals and bag on running to gates, but I can very easily point out cleaning lavs, rolling rest and 10/24 warnings.
And know this too, even a lowly ULCC Captain (yes even Frontier when their contract goes through) makes more than Global and G captains at a place like Flexjet, and they don’t have to be flexible with the rules to ensure their bonus.
So if Frac life is right for you then have at it. I certainly enjoyed much of what I did. But the truth is that you don’t know. And it shows.
09-14-2018, 06:22 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by SmarterThanYou
I commuted for 7 years at a regional and then a low cost carrier. Every second of it sucked. Money isn’t on the top of my list, so I don’t Chase the coin. Your argument of 121 making more
Isn’t challenged by anyone, so not sure why you’re stressing that. Though I do know red label challenger and legacy guys that brought home around $250K-$300K working 15-18 day months.
To touch on your point...I have had one 10/24 warning in 2018, I’ve never cleaned a lav and I never will, and my rest is always ample...maybe I’m lucky ☺️ Work rules are horrible??? Not sure what you mean there, we have a pretty good life here. And I don’t have to waste money on a union that provides nothing.
Isn’t challenged by anyone, so not sure why you’re stressing that. Though I do know red label challenger and legacy guys that brought home around $250K-$300K working 15-18 day months.
To touch on your point...I have had one 10/24 warning in 2018, I’ve never cleaned a lav and I never will, and my rest is always ample...maybe I’m lucky ☺️ Work rules are horrible??? Not sure what you mean there, we have a pretty good life here. And I don’t have to waste money on a union that provides nothing.
Naturally you pulled the “commuted to a regional line” to compare with major airlines which I agree would suck, but in no way is valid comparison. And if you worked for a LCC then you’ve most likely left when you should have stayed.
I bring up money because it’s important. As is the retirement which far surpasses anything a Frac offers. But if you want to talk QOL I know that I don’t have to work 7-8-9 days at time. I don’t have a change band. I stay at very nice hotels. I don’t spend an hour cleaning and stocking planes for every hour I fly. I don’t airline to and from my airplane on day one and day last with a couple of legs squeezed around the travel. I don’t have 16 hour last days. I can keep going if you like, but I think I’ve made my point.
Frankly, you’re indicative of the standard Flex guy who hates the airlines. Because I never met one who left a major to come to the fractionals unless it was post retirement. I can name dozens who left 10-20 year careers at the fracs to fly in the majors. That should tell you something. Even in the lost decade when Frac compensation was competitive with major 121 benefits.
So save the recruiting pitch. Enjoy the Frac lifestyle if it’s for you. But don’t try to compare a major to your days at ASA or wherever. It’s not even close to the same.
09-14-2018, 07:35 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by FNGFO
Sorry sir. I worked for your company many years. 10/24 warnings are a way of life at FJ. Particularly for the big metal. I had them all the time, and my friends who are there mention them often. My friends in IRL try not to talk about it, but they eventually slip up and complain. There are no CL captains making $300k on 15–18 day schedules, none of the non RL guys working 14-16 for sure, and it’s more like 17-19 days per calendar month if you’re sticking with pbs. If haven’t cleaned the lav you’re either in the office or one of the slobs making everyone else work harder.
Naturally you pulled the “commuted to a regional line” to compare with major airlines which I agree would suck, but in no way is valid comparison. And if you worked for a LCC then you’ve most likely left when you should have stayed.
I bring up money because it’s important. As is the retirement which far surpasses anything a Frac offers. But if you want to talk QOL I know that I don’t have to work 7-8-9 days at time. I don’t have a change band. I stay at very nice hotels. I don’t spend an hour cleaning and stocking planes for every hour I fly. I don’t airline to and from my airplane on day one and day last with a couple of legs squeezed around the travel. I don’t have 16 hour last days. I can keep going if you like, but I think I’ve made my point.
Frankly, you’re indicative of the standard Flex guy who hates the airlines. Because I never met one who left a major to come to the fractionals unless it was post retirement. I can name dozens who left 10-20 year careers at the fracs to fly in the majors. That should tell you something. Even in the lost decade when Frac compensation was competitive with major 121 benefits.
So save the recruiting pitch. Enjoy the Frac lifestyle if it’s for you. But don’t try to compare a major to your days at ASA or wherever. It’s not even close to the same.
Naturally you pulled the “commuted to a regional line” to compare with major airlines which I agree would suck, but in no way is valid comparison. And if you worked for a LCC then you’ve most likely left when you should have stayed.
I bring up money because it’s important. As is the retirement which far surpasses anything a Frac offers. But if you want to talk QOL I know that I don’t have to work 7-8-9 days at time. I don’t have a change band. I stay at very nice hotels. I don’t spend an hour cleaning and stocking planes for every hour I fly. I don’t airline to and from my airplane on day one and day last with a couple of legs squeezed around the travel. I don’t have 16 hour last days. I can keep going if you like, but I think I’ve made my point.
Frankly, you’re indicative of the standard Flex guy who hates the airlines. Because I never met one who left a major to come to the fractionals unless it was post retirement. I can name dozens who left 10-20 year careers at the fracs to fly in the majors. That should tell you something. Even in the lost decade when Frac compensation was competitive with major 121 benefits.
So save the recruiting pitch. Enjoy the Frac lifestyle if it’s for you. But don’t try to compare a major to your days at ASA or wherever. It’s not even close to the same.
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