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Old 12-02-2018, 10:42 AM
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7&7 equates to 15.2 work days a month. That's nothing to write home about. Where I am now as a junior guy in base I hold lines working 12 days a month. Max vacation is five weeks where I am now not four like NJA. This is standard in the industry. My first vacation I turned into 25 days off for one week. My last 32 days.

For the person who said they don't want to be on reserve at a 121 main line carrier, realize that it will be temporary at an airline, while it will be reserve ON STEROIDS for your entire career at NJA.

This is the best hiring environment in the history of aviation. Choose wisely.
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Old 12-02-2018, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Finny McCool View Post
7&7 equates to 15.2 work days a month. That's nothing to write home about. Where I am now as a junior guy in base I hold lines working 12 days a month. Max vacation is five weeks where I am now not four like NJA. This is standard in the industry. My first vacation I turned into 25 days off for one week. My last 32 days.

For the person who said they don't want to be on reserve at a 121 main line carrier, realize that it will be temporary at an airline, while it will be reserve ON STEROIDS for your entire career at NJA.

This is the best hiring environment in the history of aviation. Choose wisely.
Adding in 7 PTO days brings the time off / vacation to five weeks.

Assuming the employee uses the 7 PTO days the 7n7 is 12.3 days per month average and including 28 vacation days.

In the cc52 example I provided it works out to 10 days per month average.
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Old 12-02-2018, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by wankel7 View Post
Adding in 7 PTO days brings the time off / vacation to five weeks.

Assuming the employee uses the 7 PTO days the 7n7 is 12.3 days per month average and including 28 vacation days.

In the cc52 example I provided it works out to 10 days per month average.
We also get a week more of sick time than I did at NJA. For the person who desires maximum time off, they will work easily 50 days less a year than at NJA on the 7&7. The 52 is not available to everyone, and doesn't pay very much for those who hold it.
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Old 12-02-2018, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Finny McCool View Post
We also get a week more of sick time than I did at NJA. For the person who desires maximum time off, they will work easily 50 days less a year than at NJA on the 7&7. The 52 is not available to everyone, and doesn't pay very much for those who hold it.
The one caveat to that is if you can stand eight day tours...you get the 3% bump.

Base wages
15 year pic 7n7 170784
15 year pic 52 162245
15 year pic 52/8 167112

3672 loss per year for the 52 day with 8 day tours. Reasonable, when you consider you are working 27 days less per year.

You are right...the 52 day does tend to go senior. Although, I wonder if that holds true if the IBI passes.

How many sick days do you earn per month at your place of employment?
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Old 12-02-2018, 12:57 PM
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What is first year pay for CC52?
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Old 12-02-2018, 01:19 PM
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What is first year pay for CC52?
SIC $60,623 as of 12/21/18.
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Old 12-02-2018, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by su2099 View Post
What is first year pay for CC52?
The CC52 used to go rather junior in the Phenom...a 3 year hire held it. However, it is trending more senior. Just over 200 pilots hold the 52 day....out of over 2450. Although, that doesn't indicate if every slot is taken in every fleet/seat.
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Old 12-02-2018, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Finny McCool View Post
7&7 equates to 15.2 work days a month. That's nothing to write home about. Where I am now as a junior guy in base I hold lines working 12 days a month. Max vacation is five weeks where I am now not four like NJA. This is standard in the industry. My first vacation I turned into 25 days off for one week. My last 32 days.

For the person who said they don't want to be on reserve at a 121 main line carrier, realize that it will be temporary at an airline, while it will be reserve ON STEROIDS for your entire career at NJA.

This is the best hiring environment in the history of aviation. Choose wisely.
I don't want to commute and want 7 planned days off to do what I want to do without having a 3 day then 4 off then 5 day block of reserve, I got buddies on year 7 at American who work 5 days a month but they still sit reserve for 12 more day blocks not able to do anything but "sit reserve", no plans etc(they all get ****ed when they get called and freak out when the phone rings). I am not taking my phone and a uniform with me everywhere I go even if I lived close enough to drive in. Unless you have been at a major for 12 years your not holding 18 days off a month! And now that they are getting short on pilots there working is picking up signifigantly!
I don’t think there is a right or wrong, I know kids in my reserve unit who got hired at 27 with Delta, they will be millionares at 40, I just got other priorities that NJA gives me the paid time off for without stress of a commute! It’s definitly more work with some stuff here but to Each his own!

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Old 12-02-2018, 10:54 PM
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I see what you're saying but if you're week on week off techincally you're working 26 weeks a year which is 6 months, yes?
You can look at it that way, but it's disingenuous. A week of 11-hour days is 77 hours, which is what most of the world works in two weeks. You're working twice as hard while at work in order to get that week off.
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Old 12-02-2018, 11:52 PM
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Is the pay scale on APC still accurate? Can one still count on making 62k for. 7/7 schedule? It makes sense that the 76-day schedule would pay more, and 80k vs 60k is a big difference. When working the 76 day what would be the average rotation? I know it can slide and as I understand it’s a PBS style schedule but do you ever get only 1 or 2 days off at a time similar to the airlines? That right now is my biggest issue with 121 schedules. Any time off that is less than 3 days between trips feels like a waste, especially when it’s 4-6 on with only 2 off like a typical reserve schedule
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