NetJets new Contract
#381
I would also argue that you shouldn't have to fatigue because your schedule is too intense. Fatiguing should be a result of having an external factor effect your ability to fly, not the flying/schedule its self. You shouldn't have to fatigue to feel like a human being, or to eat, or to get a normal amount of time off during a tour.
#382
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A band of 5 “Union guys” for the years prior is not what became NJASAP while bargaining the last 13 years.
But you know that.
#383
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Question: are the incoming Longitudes basically replacing outgoing Xs and Sovereigns? Will there be any net new seats with the Longitudes? I guess that partly depends on executed order numbers too for Netjets USA vs Netjets Europe.
Friend said he saw a Longitude in the Netjets hanger recently. Impressive airplane.
Friend said he saw a Longitude in the Netjets hanger recently. Impressive airplane.
Longitude replaces X and Soverign and then growth.
Pushing for 500 frames next year in NJA.
#384
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I don’t think that anyone is “settling” at NetJets.
That’s why wages alone have increased literally tenfold in a period of 13 years.
The majors have literally decades upon decades of collective bargaining products in their contracts.
NJA pilots... 13 years.
Let that sink in for a minute.
It’s only possible to add so much value to a CBA at a time before one actually does risk choking the revenue.
That’s why wages alone have increased literally tenfold in a period of 13 years.
The majors have literally decades upon decades of collective bargaining products in their contracts.
NJA pilots... 13 years.
Let that sink in for a minute.
It’s only possible to add so much value to a CBA at a time before one actually does risk choking the revenue.
Everyone is settling unless you live in podunk county WV or someplace like that. But that subjective so it’s hard to quantify.
10 fold?!? You must live in one of those canibas states as there is no way you can say that with evidence. Year 1 in 2005 contract paid what 42K a year for the flex schedule? Now it’s like what 81K for the 76CC? Broken down in a day rate that would be 233 a day in 2005 compared to 355 a day. Throw in cost of living adjustment and in 2018 dollars that’s 301 a day now so it’s an increase of 54 bucks a day or 15.2 percent in adjusted numbers.
So in 13 years you have increased pay 15.2 percent on year one rates for what? Medical after retirement till SS age? Nope GONE. HBAs for all, well you got that with this new TA but you had it before 2005 contract but gave it up. You see the shell game they are playing? Take one away and give it back to you and give you a little raise. I can go on and on but you will not listen that is a fact.
#385
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The guys that push it will push it harder, the guys that fatigue will likely fly tired. I don't think anyone will be surprised if an accident occurs at NJA as a result of this.
#386
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Everyone is settling unless you live in podunk county WV or someplace like that. But that subjective so it’s hard to quantify.
10 fold?!? You must live in one of those canibas states as there is no way you can say that with evidence. Year 1 in 2005 contract paid what 42K a year for the flex schedule? Now it’s like what 81K for the 76CC? Broken down in a day rate that would be 233 a day in 2005 compared to 355 a day. Throw in cost of living adjustment and in 2018 dollars that’s 301 a day now so it’s an increase of 54 bucks a day or 15.2 percent in adjusted numbers.
So in 13 years you have increased pay 15.2 percent on year one rates for what? Medical after retirement till SS age? Nope GONE. HBAs for all, well you got that with this new TA but you had it before 2005 contract but gave it up. You see the shell game they are playing? Take one away and give it back to you and give you a little raise. I can go on and on but you will not listen that is a fact.
10 fold?!? You must live in one of those canibas states as there is no way you can say that with evidence. Year 1 in 2005 contract paid what 42K a year for the flex schedule? Now it’s like what 81K for the 76CC? Broken down in a day rate that would be 233 a day in 2005 compared to 355 a day. Throw in cost of living adjustment and in 2018 dollars that’s 301 a day now so it’s an increase of 54 bucks a day or 15.2 percent in adjusted numbers.
So in 13 years you have increased pay 15.2 percent on year one rates for what? Medical after retirement till SS age? Nope GONE. HBAs for all, well you got that with this new TA but you had it before 2005 contract but gave it up. You see the shell game they are playing? Take one away and give it back to you and give you a little raise. I can go on and on but you will not listen that is a fact.
#388
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UPS was IBT too before they went independent. It only took them a couple of contracts to go from worst to first. You should never sign a super long contract, but if you did it could only be justified under a mature contract, which NJA still doesn't have. In between IBBs are garbage.
#389
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No it won't!! It might impact the extra flight pay for the day. But with a fatigue call, the company can now schedule you further out the next day. Trust me when I tell you that even when I fatigue, the company gets a LOT of flight time the next day. When I fatigue, I usually end up getting a later day the next day, filled with flying. So it's a fallacy that fatiguing will negatively impact the over 12.1 pay. I'm sure it will happen sometimes. But on the whole, it won't matter.
#390
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NOBODY has been fired at NJA for calling in fatigued. And nobody I know abuses the policy.
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