wankel7

If a new hire sticks to the 76 day .... I think it could happen. Might be around 75k if they get off ioe quickly. 8 percent overtime and a holiday or two. 10 percent ibi pay. It might be pretty close.

But that is over 215 days of work for the year. Brutal.

Flyfalcons

Date of birth.

Guard

Good point, I was wrong on that one, so you are correct, 24 weeks at 25 hour tour is 600 hours, is the Latitude not flying 25 hours in 7 days? They're talking about 3-5 legs a day at about 1-4 hours per leg? Sounds like some of the other fleets are falling apart and they are moving owners to the Latitude?

Guard

Global and 350 are very senior but tons of new hires going to Latitude (1/3 of our class) and I suspect will go to Longitude in the Spring when it gets here. Phenom has not been handed out for about the last 3-4 classes as they are trying to get upgrades on it.

Guard

Whatever, its pretty good money to work 6 months out of the year at a place, being at an airline was pretty miserable with the commute. I also love all my buddies at the majors are now getting ****ed off now that they are getting used while on reserve with 2 days off between lines, ridiculous!

OhSnapAF

You keep saying "working 6 months out of the year" like you have found the only secret flying job that has a schedule. Hate to break it to you but there are so many 8/6 135 jobs, Flex pilots can work the same amount you do, oh and every major will work less than that if they bid min guarantee.

What major has a reserve schedule with two days off in between? I want the name.

It's all perspective. I will take the commute at an airline having worked at NetJets. I will move before I fly a transcon commute but if I had to commute tomorrow to work, I can't tell you how much I won't beat down NJAs door to work there again.

OhSnapAF

100k I think is very possible AFTER the IBI. Management was touting making 100k year one months ago which is pretty pathetic not to quantify.

76LT with a couple after midnights, maybe a handful of extended days, a couple holidays and overtime it could happen. Is the divorce or suicide worth it?

GeeWizDriver

The 76 day ain’t “six months of the year.” It is a non-stop sh/t show of 6 on, 3 off. And the claim from this “senior captain on the negotiating committee” was that a SEVEN AND SEVEN new hire could make $100K. Absolute poppycock.

And, point of order, it ain’t a “committee.” It’s two dudes running the whole show, helping who they want to help, and screwing who they want to screw and a handful of minions doing the typing.

Guard

Look at American's DCA 320 schedule, junior guy get 5R/2off/4R and then 4 off to turn into a 6 day reserve block, United international is pretty much all 6 day reserve on the 6-400, 77 is 6-7 day blocks for some at EWR for ASIA, wide bodies don't get used much though I'm told, I get all this from guys I fly with in the reserves, seems your a hater, lighten up and enjoy your major job, we are all happy to be here, ticket to my house is worth unlimited amount of money a year for me not to sit in a crash pad, wait on some commuter to cancel my commute home, my wife makes 3X what I make so moving is not an option for us. What I see here and what I didn't see at CAL before I was furloughed is that these people generally get making the face of the company employees happy will be reflected to the owners. CAL and that fat slob Kellner gave two sh!ts about the employees and I was happy to look at a customer and say "not my job or my problem, good luck"! Sounds like the last CEO here was like that, but the guys here, most have been here since late 1990's and 2000's think its getting better? This works for me.

CA1900

It wasn't when I was flying it; it would generally break hard at least once a tour, and if it didn't, I had to make a fatigue call for my safety. There's no way in the world you'll fly 600 hours a year in it, I can guarantee that.

400 hours a year is possible, but much more than that is hard to come by unless you pick up and drop off your plane without an airline flight (very rare), never get sick, never fatigue, never write a plane up, never get Reserve, Hot Spare or Tentative duty (completely out of your control), gets lots of flight time scheduled (also completely out of your control), don't have customers with 2-hour departure time windows (fairly common, and out of your control), never have another crew take your plane because theirs broke (and you have to airline to another one), and so on.

There are just too many other factors that make such high flight times unlikely on a regular basis. A significant portion of the job is the stuff done between flights, and that isn't going to pay any bonuses.