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Old 10-30-2018, 08:05 PM   #1  
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Can anyone confirm that NJ is about to bring a new contract to the pilots with significant work rule changes and SIC raises? Heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend...........etc.
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An IBB is in the works. The company came to the union and said they were serious this time about coming to the table. Why? Because one reason is over the last 2-3 years, the new hire pilots arenít staying so itís actually costing them money. Also, I hope they get increased retirement plans and pay raises. They work harder than the airlines and deserve it. There are a lot of great people at NJA.

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Letís just say, Iím not holding my breath...
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It's not likely that base wages will change at all, for either seat but we'll know for sure in the next 2-3 weeks.
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Can anyone confirm that NJ is about to bring a new contract to the pilots with significant work rule changes and SIC raises? Heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend...........etc.
SIC raises? Needed BIG TIME to stop the exodus considering loooooooong upgrade times and attractive 121 packages.
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Does this friend of a friend have the initials JL and believes in ponies and balloons? 🤣🤣

Seriously the pilot group deserves it but it ainít gonna happen. Management is not going to pay more money out unless their hand is forced. Retired airline pilots are heading over in droves, classes are filled and overall attrition is low. Thereís no reason to shorten duty days and improve QOL when so many pilots refuse to fatigue and take care of their mental and physical states. Until the metal stops moving for any reason, like they cannot fill classes, attrition becomes unmanageable, and these pilots stop flying half comatose, nothing real is going to happen.
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SIC raises? Needed BIG TIME to stop the exodus considering loooooooong upgrade times and attractive 121 packages.
I would say since hiring started again in 2015, the highest attrition rates are from FOs hired since then.
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Does this friend of a friend have the initials JL and believes in ponies and balloons? 🤣🤣

Seriously the pilot group deserves it but it ainít gonna happen. Management is not going to pay more money out unless their hand is forced. Retired airline pilots are heading over in droves, classes are filled and overall attrition is low. Thereís no reason to shorten duty days and improve QOL when so many pilots refuse to fatigue and take care of their mental and physical states. Until the metal stops moving for any reason, like they cannot fill classes, attrition becomes unmanageable, and these pilots stop flying half comatose, nothing real is going to happen.
100% agree. Iíll add that retired airline pilots, or just anyone over 65, are making things difficult for everyone at NJA, especially pilots. An age limit is/was desperately needed for many reasons beyond just having to change diapers. And these ppl are not coming here for the money. They want the ďadventureĒ of flying that they missed out on during their airline careers. And thereís the medical. etc etc.
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100% agree. Iíll add that retired airline pilots, or just anyone over 65, are making things difficult for everyone at NJA, especially pilots. An age limit is/was desperately needed for many reasons beyond just having to change diapers. And these ppl are not coming here for the money. They want the ďadventureĒ of flying that they missed out on during their airline careers. And thereís the medical. etc etc.
I will never go back to a place like NJA after I retire simply because I remember how sucky it was to fly with dinosaurs. NJA has enough weirdos and horrible captains that get pushed though training without having to add pilots who poop their pants and canít see at night.
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Pilots giving life advice...that's precious.

Here is the only thing you need to learn...be happy.
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