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Old 02-16-2019, 03:52 AM
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A point should be made to all those on this board. WheelsUp is NOT a Fractional operation. Fractional companies operate under Part 91K of the FAR's. The customers of Fractional companies are owners of at least a 1/16 share of an aircraft.


WheelsUP is totally Part 135. The customers are "members", think COSTCO, not owners. They pay a much smaller fee than at NetJets of Flex jet and pay a charter rate for the airplane. Members have no equity in any of the WheelsUP aircraft.



WheelsUp is a marketing company and the aircraft are operated by GAMA Aviation. GAMA is the Part 135 certificate holder.
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Old 02-16-2019, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Jkmsr View Post
On tour travel is done on day 1 and off tour travel is on day 8. You are off for the whole 6 days.
Not a bad deal. Appreciate the info...
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Old 02-16-2019, 12:06 PM
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I understand FO mins are ATP mins, but are folks getting hired on with minimum multi time? By the time I’ll be applying I’ll be 2000+ hours, over a thousand TPIC, and a couple years of 135 experience but only ~25 multi engine.
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Old 02-16-2019, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Allegheny View Post
A point should be made to all those on this board. WheelsUp is NOT a Fractional operation. Fractional companies operate under Part 91K of the FAR's. The customers of Fractional companies are owners of at least a 1/16 share of an aircraft.


WheelsUP is totally Part 135. The customers are "members", think COSTCO, not owners. They pay a much smaller fee than at NetJets of Flex jet and pay a charter rate for the airplane. Members have no equity in any of the WheelsUP aircraft.



WheelsUp is a marketing company and the aircraft are operated by GAMA Aviation. GAMA is the Part 135 certificate holder.
A. You are right!
B. Does it really matter??? Not trying to fight. But it’s pretty much one ongoing forum about people curious about working here. There is not 40 different GAMA threads clogging the fractionals up..
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Old 02-16-2019, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 1212135 View Post
A. You are right!
B. Does it really matter??? Not trying to fight. But it’s pretty much one ongoing forum about people curious about working here. There is not 40 different GAMA threads clogging the fractionals up..
Thought the same thing also. Just sayin'.

Most people including myself who are inquiring about working here as well as on most APC pages, have done their homework regarding the type of operation i.e. 91/135/121 etc. and if it's an issue as to what each entails than they should start with the basic CFRs to get up to speed a little. It is listed in the wrong category but, oh well. It's easy to find..
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Old 02-16-2019, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hav3atps View Post
It's easy to find..
I guess it's easy to find if you don't know what regs your potential employer operates under.

I mean I don't really care or think it's a big deal, and I wouldn't even post about it if it hadn't come up. But it's also kinda like "ehm, what else don't you know?"

In any case, it's not like it was a Bad Thing to point out that the operator isn't a 91(k). *shrug*
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There ARE not 40 different GAMA threads clogging the fractionals up..
FIFY. *twitch*
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Old 02-16-2019, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Boris Badenov View Post
I guess it's easy to find if you don't know what regs your potential employer operates under.

I mean I don't really care or think it's a big deal, and I wouldn't even post about it if it hadn't come up. But it's also kinda like "ehm, what else don't you know?"

In any case, it's not like it was a Bad Thing to point out that the operator isn't a 91(k). *shrug*
Actually, it's easy to find by just typing the name of the company in the search bar and won't worry what category it comes up under. Makes for a nice little feature though if one's concerned.
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Boris Badenov View Post
I guess it's easy to find if you don't know what regs your potential employer operates under.

I mean I don't really care or think it's a big deal, and I wouldn't even post about it if it hadn't come up. But it's also kinda like "ehm, what else don't you know?"

In any case, it's not like it was a Bad Thing to point out that the operator isn't a 91(k). *shrug*
Flying must be slow this week. You really believe 98% of pilot spend hours and hours worrying about which 91K 135 for certification reason it belongs too??? They worry about pay and quality of life and benefits. Maybe a few worry about aircraft if you still are diagnosed with shinny Jet syndrome. BTW I’m not arguing with you in fact I pointed out the initial person who brought it to the attention is RIGHT. How ever there are aviators coming from the military and other companies looking to get into a decent company that offers the type of QOL. While once again that facts are correct we are not a fractional by the letter of the law. A NJA,WUP,Flexjet,Xojet. Duties remain the same. You have a start and end date 7/7 8/6 4/3 etc. the owners or members tell the company when and where they want to fly. The respective company books the flight. Then hands over the trip to the pilots to fly it. So coming from the pilots level aspect there no difference.

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Old 02-18-2019, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Allegheny View Post
A point should be made to all those on this board. WheelsUp is NOT a Fractional operation. Fractional companies operate under Part 91K of the FAR's. The customers of Fractional companies are owners of at least a 1/16 share of an aircraft.


WheelsUP is totally Part 135. The customers are "members", think COSTCO, not owners. They pay a much smaller fee than at NetJets of Flex jet and pay a charter rate for the airplane. Members have no equity in any of the WheelsUP aircraft.


WheelsUp is a marketing company and the aircraft are operated by GAMA Aviation. GAMA is the Part 135 certificate holder.
These guys are angling for the doctors who want to go on a golf trip, where as NetJets owners average wealth's north of $50 million.
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