Das Auto

Absolutely. The director of operations, a designee of the D.O. and the pilot in command has operational control. i.e. the authority to initiate, conduct, and / or terminate a flight.

Anything else?

USMCFLYR

Not sure how your operation works - but in mine - the PIC doesn't have Operational Control. Doesn't mean I can't exert PIC discretion to terminate a flight for a variety of reasons - but using your example above - I can not self-release myself (in an aviation sense!) That dispatch comes from the part of my organization who in my Operations Manual actually states that these few people/designees have 'operational control'. In the end I, as a PIC, can deny a release - as can the Dispatcher even if I think the flight can be made (think of this as 2 to dispatch, 1 to cancel).

At least in my organization, the PIC has certain responsibilities but those don't fall under the actual definition of 'operational control'. In my particular FOM, PIC is not mentioned in any part of the FOM dealing with operational control except in one sentence that eludes to what I said above. No where in OpsSpec A008 which lays out operational control is the PIC mentioned.

IMO, you are confusing PIC responsibilities with actual operational control.

Firefly727

I'm relatively new here, and this is a great discussion about PIC time. Understanding the differences of sole manipulator vs aircraft commander, how do most companies (135 / charter, not necessarily 121) view time spent as a CFI? I spent about 4 years in the 121 world as FE and FO, never CAPT (about 20 years ago). I have since been flying as CFI on the side while being a career firefighter to support my family. I'm looking to get back into flying full time soon and would appreciate all of your thoughts on this. TIA for your input.

Das Auto

No I’m not.

Our manuals specifically list the PIC as having operational control and we don't have a dispatch, we have flight followers who have been blessed with operational control by the D.O. The question is asked on every 135.293 oral, and as this is a Gama / Wheels Up thread I am specifically referring to our operation.

Das Auto

CFI time is a whole different animal. per FAR 61.51 you may log the time as PIC because you are acting as a certified flight instructor.

Let me ask you this though. During your time as an F.O. or F.E. at your 121 gig, did you ever log that time as PIC?

Thought not.

Firefly727

Never did. Just south of 1500 FE and a little more than 300 SIC. I'm not one to pad my log book with time not actually flown. Any questions about PIC time and I'll be very clear that the majority of it is as a CFI, only about 500-600 actual sole manipulator.

Packrat

Exactly. And, BTW, assuming you made it to the interview and got rejected, forget about reapplying when you have the real PIC time. We have a record of your interview and the fact that you were rejected for lying to us. You get no second chances.

The Majors have your SSN on file. If you were rejected and your SSN pops up on a subsequent application its auto deleted.

Caveat Emptor.

1212135

This won’t end will it? I gave you the FAA statement. Because you believe something doesn’t make it the law of the land. You sound like a dam leftist liberal. It’s not your way so you run around screaming “ iMorally it’s wrong”. You call the FAA.gov website fake. Are you even a real pilot or AOC?? I thought it was left as a 135 interpretation for ABC 135 carriers for insurability not mainline. Your ignorance of rules even when present black and white evidence you still can’t let it go.

1212135

Hey join there regional affiliate -problem fixed!!
Some Mainline carriers sold there golden ticket to mainline out in exchange for cheap regional labor.

I know one guy that blew his AA interview and thanks to PSA little flow thru. He works at AA. So YOU ARE WRONG!

Incase you missed it.. YOU ARE WRONG!

Packrat

Do flow through pilots go through the full AA HR process?