Go Back   Airline Pilot Central Forums - Find your next job as a Pilot > >
Fractional NetJets, FlexJet, etc
 

Welcome to Airline Pilot Forums - Connect and get the inside scoop on Airline Companies

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ. Join our community today and start interacting with existing members. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free.


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 12-22-2018, 03:31 AM   #21  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Sep 2018
Posts: 145
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluesville View Post
Hey guys, sorry to get off track. I just had my Phone Interview and I was told from the gal on the other end that there is a 10yr upgrade time and it might get lower with the new TA.
Is that 10yr upgrade fact or fake news? And do y’all think it will stay at 10yrs or get lower? Thanks and happy Holidays.

Supposedly the FAA is re-writing the 135 age and duty time rules to look more like 121, it's being pushed to also closer reflect ICAO. We'll see. One thing I definitely am seeing is older guys getting displaced and saying they are passing on another type rating, I know several who are just waiting for the TA bonus before leaving.
Guard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2018, 05:46 AM   #22  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Oct 2018
Posts: 359
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guard View Post
Supposedly the FAA is re-writing the 135 age and duty time rules to look more like 121, it's being pushed to also closer reflect ICAO. We'll see. One thing I definitely am seeing is older guys getting displaced and saying they are passing on another type rating, I know several who are just waiting for the TA bonus before leaving.
That happened in 2015. Lots of guys took recall at the airlines the second the bonus hit their accounts.
OhSnapAF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2018, 05:49 AM   #23  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: Weekends off
Posts: 174
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OhSnapAF View Post
The IBI and upgrades have no link.
I really wish that was true.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guard View Post
Supposedly the FAA is re-writing the 135 age and duty time rules to look more like 121, it's being pushed to also closer reflect ICAO. We'll see. One thing I definitely am seeing is older guys getting displaced and saying they are passing on another type rating, I know several who are just waiting for the TA bonus before leaving.
It would be really interesting if a 135 duty re-write made earning IBI money nearly impossible.
wankel7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2018, 06:14 AM   #24  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Oct 2018
Posts: 359
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wankel7 View Post
I really wish that was true
There is no positive link, to be clear. Pilot numbers are down around 400 from 2015, they will further decline without operational issue, because of the IBI.

Look at 2019 hiring numbers versus attrition. For all intent and purpose, the net gain for pilots was almost nothing, like less than 10 pilots. If management can get the current crop of donkeys that will never retire, to pull more load, they don’t need to grow.

Management really nailed this one and the pilot group has no idea what hit them, but also, the pilot group has a history of ignoring the big picture for some quick cash.
OhSnapAF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2018, 06:19 AM   #25  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 242
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wankel7 View Post
It would be really interesting if a 135 duty re-write made earning IBI money nearly impossible.
On a seven day tour, it's an average of less than two hours of flight per day to be into IBI money. So I don't see that happening.
Flyfalcons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2018, 08:22 AM   #26  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: PIC
Posts: 528
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guard View Post
Supposedly the FAA is re-writing the 135 age and duty time rules to look more like 121, it's being pushed to also closer reflect ICAO. We'll see. One thing I definitely am seeing is older guys getting displaced and saying they are passing on another type rating, I know several who are just waiting for the TA bonus before leaving.
We may well see a handful of people waiting for the check to clear before departing the pattern. If it pushes more fossils out the door, great.

But when it comes to the 135/91K re-write, I can only say one thing: Be careful what you wish for.
GeeWizDriver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2018, 06:13 PM   #27  
Gets Weekends Off
 
tm602's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2014
Position: Just a pilot
Posts: 374
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyfalcons View Post
On a seven day tour, it's an average of less than two hours of flight per day to be into IBI money. So I don't see that happening.
My opinion (so you know its a fact) is that once they have their "sea legs" on scheduling people post-IBI, they will run numbers on how much more we can do as crews....think "what are the duty and flight numbers?". Then based on that, sales gets more aggressive and any IBI money is easily superseded by the new amount of owners picked up (although more likely 135 cards). Want proof anyone? Ask yourself why we only get filed time plus .2. Taxi/EDCT times, holding, WX deviations TMIs, etc are NOT payable or even countable in the formula. Next thing you know, we're all doing 12 or 14 hour days again. Sure, get paid a little more, albeit not what we actually are flying but an amount less. But the $$ they make in new revenue far outweighs it.
And before we get our resident NJA cheerleaders in here saying "but you may only go .1 or .2 off on the numbers"....think large scale: 2700 pilots at .2, around 10 days per month.....that's big money they save. They're making out like bandits on this one.
tm602 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2018, 07:49 PM   #28  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 242
Default

I'll take trip pay over no pay. Buddy just ended his week with approximately 2,000 IBI dollars.

So much angst over not getting block or better, when we have been flying for decades with zero extra dollars for busting ass.
Flyfalcons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2018, 08:17 PM   #29  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Oct 2018
Posts: 359
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyfalcons View Post
I'll take trip pay over no pay. Buddy just ended his week with approximately 2,000 IBI dollars.

So much angst over not getting block or better, when we have been flying for decades with zero extra dollars for busting ass.
So you think this is really going to end up being a potentially out of the blue, 40,000 dollar raise for every pilot? Do you just hope that, or do you really truely believe that?
OhSnapAF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2018, 08:52 PM   #30  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 242
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OhSnapAF View Post
So you think this is really going to end up being a potentially out of the blue, 40,000 dollar raise for every pilot? Do you just hope that, or do you really truely believe that?
I never implied that at all. We all have our busy weeks and our easy weeks. My friend had a relatively busy week and earned 2,000 extra dollars. Never did I say that every tour will be as profitable. But over the year, it will be a tangile bump in pay. Personally I'm thinking it will be around 20-25K on the busier fleets. Not 40K on average for everyone.

Why are all of your arguments predicated on putting words in others' mouths?
Flyfalcons is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
 

 
Reply
 



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life jarba Hangar Talk 11 08-01-2018 06:52 AM
Flexjet Schedule and Quality of Life Prince Albert Fractional 0 10-20-2015 03:28 PM
How's your Quality of life? num1flyboy Regional 59 10-07-2015 10:34 PM
Day in the life at NetJets? BEEFF Fractional 42 12-30-2007 11:57 AM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:48 PM.


vBulletin® v3.9.3.5, Copyright ©2000-2019, MH Sub I, LLC dba vBulletin
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Website Copyright ©2000 - 2017 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.1