Guard

Supposedly the FAA is re-writing the 135 age and duty time rules to look more like 121, it's being pushed to also closer reflect ICAO. We'll see. One thing I definitely am seeing is older guys getting displaced and saying they are passing on another type rating, I know several who are just waiting for the TA bonus before leaving.

OhSnapAF

That happened in 2015. Lots of guys took recall at the airlines the second the bonus hit their accounts.

wankel7

I really wish that was true.

It would be really interesting if a 135 duty re-write made earning IBI money nearly impossible.

OhSnapAF

There is no positive link, to be clear. Pilot numbers are down around 400 from 2015, they will further decline without operational issue, because of the IBI.

Look at 2019 hiring numbers versus attrition. For all intent and purpose, the net gain for pilots was almost nothing, like less than 10 pilots. If management can get the current crop of donkeys that will never retire, to pull more load, they don’t need to grow.

Management really nailed this one and the pilot group has no idea what hit them, but also, the pilot group has a history of ignoring the big picture for some quick cash.

Flyfalcons

On a seven day tour, it's an average of less than two hours of flight per day to be into IBI money. So I don't see that happening.

GeeWizDriver

We may well see a handful of people waiting for the check to clear before departing the pattern. If it pushes more fossils out the door, great.

But when it comes to the 135/91K re-write, I can only say one thing: Be careful what you wish for.

tm602

My opinion (so you know its a fact) is that once they have their "sea legs" on scheduling people post-IBI, they will run numbers on how much more we can do as crews....think "what are the duty and flight numbers?". Then based on that, sales gets more aggressive and any IBI money is easily superseded by the new amount of owners picked up (although more likely 135 cards). Want proof anyone? Ask yourself why we only get filed time plus .2. Taxi/EDCT times, holding, WX deviations TMIs, etc are NOT payable or even countable in the formula. Next thing you know, we're all doing 12 or 14 hour days again. Sure, get paid a little more, albeit not what we actually are flying but an amount less. But the $$ they make in new revenue far outweighs it.
And before we get our resident NJA cheerleaders in here saying "but you may only go .1 or .2 off on the numbers"....think large scale: 2700 pilots at .2, around 10 days per month.....that's big money they save. They're making out like bandits on this one.

Flyfalcons

I'll take trip pay over no pay. Buddy just ended his week with approximately 2,000 IBI dollars.

So much angst over not getting block or better, when we have been flying for decades with zero extra dollars for busting ass.

OhSnapAF

So you think this is really going to end up being a potentially out of the blue, 40,000 dollar raise for every pilot? Do you just hope that, or do you really truely believe that?

Flyfalcons

I never implied that at all. We all have our busy weeks and our easy weeks. My friend had a relatively busy week and earned 2,000 extra dollars. Never did I say that every tour will be as profitable. But over the year, it will be a tangile bump in pay. Personally I'm thinking it will be around 20-25K on the busier fleets. Not 40K on average for everyone.

Why are all of your arguments predicated on putting words in others' mouths?