How is the quality of life at netjets?
12-19-2018, 03:46 PM
#11
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I smoke cigars on occasion and have a fairly extensive collection of fine cigars so I can appreciate it.
That being said, I almost always had to fatigue after flying a smoking flight. Something about breathing it in at altitude would always make me sick.
That being said, I almost always had to fatigue after flying a smoking flight. Something about breathing it in at altitude would always make me sick.
12-20-2018, 07:38 AM
#12
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Try 11 hours of non-stop cigar smoking on an international leg. Did I mention that the outflow valve is JUST forward of the crew rest area?
I hate to see customers leave the company but I was doing hand springs when that guy bought his own airplane. Still can't figure out how he found a couple of pilots for it, especially at the price he was offering. Revolving door springs to mind....
I hate to see customers leave the company but I was doing hand springs when that guy bought his own airplane. Still can't figure out how he found a couple of pilots for it, especially at the price he was offering. Revolving door springs to mind....
12-20-2018, 08:30 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
Try 11 hours of non-stop cigar smoking on an international leg. Did I mention that the outflow valve is JUST forward of the crew rest area?
I hate to see customers leave the company but I was doing hand springs when that guy bought his own airplane. Still can't figure out how he found a couple of pilots for it, especially at the price he was offering. Revolving door springs to mind....
I hate to see customers leave the company but I was doing hand springs when that guy bought his own airplane. Still can't figure out how he found a couple of pilots for it, especially at the price he was offering. Revolving door springs to mind....
12-21-2018, 06:15 PM
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Hey guys, sorry to get off track. I just had my Phone Interview and I was told from the gal on the other end that there is a 10yr upgrade time and it might get lower with the new TA.
Is that 10yr upgrade fact or fake news? And do y’all think it will stay at 10yrs or get lower? Thanks and happy Holidays.
Is that 10yr upgrade fact or fake news? And do y’all think it will stay at 10yrs or get lower? Thanks and happy Holidays.
12-21-2018, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluesville
Hey guys, sorry to get off track. I just had my Phone Interview and I was told from the gal on the other end that there is a 10yr upgrade time and it might get lower with the new TA.
Is that 10yr upgrade fact or fake news? And do y’all think it will stay at 10yrs or get lower? Thanks and happy Holidays.
Is that 10yr upgrade fact or fake news? And do y’all think it will stay at 10yrs or get lower? Thanks and happy Holidays.
12-21-2018, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluesville
Hey guys, sorry to get off track. I just had my Phone Interview and I was told from the gal on the other end that there is a 10yr upgrade time and it might get lower with the new TA.
Is that 10yr upgrade fact or fake news? And do y’all think it will stay at 10yrs or get lower? Thanks and happy Holidays.
Is that 10yr upgrade fact or fake news? And do y’all think it will stay at 10yrs or get lower? Thanks and happy Holidays.
Unless they won the genetic lottery and can’t fit so they go to the Excel or, better yet, the Latitude. There is a seniority gap from when we weren’t hiring that will shorten upgrade a little but without a much-needed mandatory retirement age, it’s a totally moving target.
Count on a minimum of 10 years if hired tomorrow. If a retirement age happens, maybe 8. And hopefully, by the time 2027-28 rolls around, there will be a new entry-level Barbie jet that a real human can fit into.
All the while earning 50-60% of what your flight school buddies are making at Delta, AA, SWA, etc.
12-21-2018, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by wankel7
I would like to know why someone in hiring thinks the IBI would decrease the upgrade time?
Not only does the IBI not stop attrition, it actually negatively affects upgrades and hiring.
12-21-2018, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by OhSnapAF
Not only does the IBI not stop attrition, it actually negatively affects upgrades and hiring.
The ONLY reason upgrade time MIGHT shorten is the total lack of hiring for several years leading to a sudden change in relative seniority when the current 50-60 demographic (a substantial percentage of the list) begins to retire or lose their medical in the next decade.
The 2015 CBA and the IBI were designed to blunt the impact of those statistics and encourage more flying by fewer pilots. That will delay upgrades and hiring until, sooner or later, the numbers catch up.
Regardless, without a mandatory retirement age, it will always be a moving target.
Long story short, if you're under 40 and career earnings are important to you, look elsewhere. Same story, different day.
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