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Old 01-20-2019, 05:25 AM   #21  
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And B727DRVR has been SPOT ON with his posts.
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F16's posts have been a great example of why crew time is valued in the civilian world. Not sure if that was his intent, which proves the point even more.
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F16's posts have been a great example of why crew time is valued in the civilian world. Not sure if that was his intent, which proves the point even more.
Actually, it proved why there is no point in trying to explain fighter time to a bunch of civilians. Your comments just prove you know nothing,

I am also speaking from experience. Having flown in fractional, charter, and airline ops for many years, crew flying is the easiest flying I have ever done. Its not that difficult. Itís unfortunate that it hurts the pride of you fellas.
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Actually, it proved why there is no point in trying to explain fighter time to a bunch of civilians. Your comments just prove you know nothing,

I am also speaking from experience. Having flown in fractional, charter, and airline ops for many years, crew flying is the easiest flying I have ever done. Its not that difficult. Itís unfortunate that it hurts the pride of you fellas.
Correction: The comments prove you know nothing (about that community). I also have stories and have flown with great individuals from all backgrounds. Could all of them fly fighter aircraft, nope. Could everyone I have flown with in the fighter community fly crew aircraft, yup.
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I am also speaking from experience. Having flown in fractional, charter, and airline ops for many years, crew flying is the easiest flying I have ever done. Its not that difficult. It’s unfortunate that it hurts the pride of you fellas.
The best successful trips are the ones that are Not difficult and
I find my pride when the passengers say “thanks for the nice flight.”
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Could everyone I have flown with in the fighter community fly crew aircraft, yup.
Get the jet from A to B? Probably.

Fly it smoothly? Maybe.

Be a complete d-bag while doing it? If you're any indication, absolutely.
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Get the jet from A to B? Probably.

Fly it smoothly? Maybe.

Be a complete d-bag while doing it? If you're any indication, absolutely.
Haha.

Here comes the hurt feeling reports. Remember to file them in triplicate.
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As long as you understand that you're continuing to prove our point, carry on.
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For identifying pilots who are good at yanking and banking and going Mach 2 with their hair on fire, this is probably true in military flight training.

But in general, many of these ace fighter jocks SUCK in a business jet cockpit which IS what we're talking about. Most of them are arrogant, selfish pricks who climb and descend and turn as if they're engaging a Mig and they land the jet like a third wire trap on a heaving carrier deck and can't get along with anybody.

One notable exception in my experience is a Marine Harrier pilot who is funny enough and crazy enough to wash the fighter pilot stink off himself.

The other exception is a good friend who is a ring knocker and was a career FB-111 driver. The ironic thing about that is, the arrogant pricks in the F-16 community didn't consider the 111 a fighter...

I have flown with a LOT of C17 and C130 drivers and I would rather have them or a civilian trained pilot sitting next to me for a week, hands down.
But a FB-111 wasnít a fighter...

Now some of you guys are making the same generalized statements about fighter-attack guys.

Btw - this whole you havenít flown as part of a team because you were a fighter-attack guy is a bunch of malarkey too.
Just because the guy might not have been in the same cockpit as you doesnít mean you didnít work with other flight members, other support aircraft, guys on the ground you might have been supporting, or even GCI.

Transitioning to a multi-crewed cockpit was easy IMO.
Oh yeah....I have to ask the rest of the crew if the temperature is ok :-)

I too find the civilian flying (and in my case the rules of P135) to be a PITA. Iíd like to try some of those other types of flying too but the QOL would suffer right now for others and that is a higher priority right now.
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But a FB-111 wasnít a fighter...

Now some of you guys are making the same generalized statements about fighter-attack guys.

Btw - this whole you havenít flown as part of a team because you were a fighter-attack guy is a bunch of malarkey too.
Just because the guy might not have been in the same cockpit as you doesnít mean you didnít work with other flight members, other support aircraft, guys on the ground you might have been supporting, or even GCI.

Transitioning to a multi-crewed cockpit was easy IMO.
Oh yeah....I have to ask the rest of the crew if the temperature is ok :-)

I too find the civilian flying (and in my case the rules of P135) to be a PITA. Iíd like to try some of those other types of flying too but the QOL would suffer right now for others and that is a higher priority right now.
Wait wait wait.. you mean to tell me that you do the type of flying that makes you happy and works best for your family, you could could care less about all the pointless bickering BS that goes on like the above crap? Please gawd say it ainít so.
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