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Old 05-19-2019, 06:52 AM
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While years of reserve may hav once been a major airline reality the current circumstances have changed.

In the last few years iv flown with new pilots that have never been on reserve. And as in our pwa im guessing most majors have reserve rules that make it an attractive schedule bid. You will see pilots across the category choosing reserve as a desired schedule.

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GUARD is comparing a regional reserve schedule to NJA. That by its self should make his opinion on anything, invalid.

I bid one month of reserve after IOE and have been a line holder ever since. I bid reserve during vacation and December to get Christmas off. Almost every major I know people at, has reserve going fairly senior at times.

Times will slow again and those will get stuck on reserve, or with bad bidding seniority, it happens. But too many compare a recession era 121 industry to NetJets now and I can't figure that out for the life of me.
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Old 05-19-2019, 12:41 PM
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Old 05-20-2019, 09:43 AM
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If you want to make a comparison on something that makes a real difference in your work life as a pilot, you should be comparing the type of people you have to work with. Idk about some of the airlines mentioned, but NJ hired some real wackos about 12-15 years ago that make your tour absolutely miserable. Not just in the cockpit but in public also.
Can’t say it enough that HR needs to be kept out of pilot interviews. They are totally clueless about what it takes to operate in this environment.
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Old 05-20-2019, 09:53 AM
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A little longer back. Anyone before 2001 is to be looked at with suspicion.
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Old 05-20-2019, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by HandyHansell View Post
A little longer back. Anyone before 2001 is to be looked at with suspicion.
Yeah a lot of Emery guys came onboard in ‘01 , after Emery vanished, all good solid freightdogs, God bless ‘em : )
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Originally Posted by HandyHansell View Post
Speaking of bragging...many moons ago when NJA decided 500 pilots were too many they had a physical altercation breakout on the plane when a certain Falcon captain was bragging about upgrading his boat to the FO who had just received notification he was being laid off. This certain captain also loved to brag about his BMW M series cars and how he never owned one long enough to have the oil changed....

Some people, you place them in first class but you can not teach them class.
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Old 05-20-2019, 11:00 AM
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Unfortunately guys like that are not a Netjets exclusive ....
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Old 05-20-2019, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 55555 View Post
If you want to make a comparison on something that makes a real difference in your work life as a pilot, you should be comparing the type of people you have to work with. Idk about some of the airlines mentioned, but NJ hired some real wackos about 12-15 years ago that make your tour absolutely miserable. Not just in the cockpit but in public also.
Can’t say it enough that HR needs to be kept out of pilot interviews. They are totally clueless about what it takes to operate in this environment.
Worst pilot group overall, that I have ever flown with, was at NJA.

In the 2.5 years at my current job, I have flown with maybe 1 or 2 that I would consider putting on the do not fly list. At NJA, it was easily a 50/50 shot on whether to not you would fly with a complete and total wack job or weirdo. And I am not picky, I don't care (nor do I bring up) about political views, sexual orientation, or religious views. So to really bug me out you gotta be real weird.

Problem is, the majority of NJA pilots were hired when the airlines were furloughing, so they took all comers. That included people that couldn't pass an airline interview, scabs, and airline furloughs/layoffs. That demographic makes up at least 60% of the pilot group, and a lot never returned/couldn't return to an airline job. Not to say that there aren't weirdos at the airlines, or that only weirdos are attracted to fractional jobs, but there is a common theme. Flex/Flops guys prove that time and time again. Every time I met a long time Flops pilot I wanted to take a shower after, they were so odd, all of them.

NetJets was the first job where I met pilots who were flat earthers. I didn't think a pilot could earn an ATP, and fly long distances, yet completely ignore math, science, and provable fact, but they exist. From staunch racism, fringe extreme political views, odd behavior, guys carrying binders around to show how many law suits they have against the company, people trying to convince you that there are aliens living underground etc. I had never really experienced any of that before NJA.

That being said I met some truly amazing people there and had unforgettably positive tours with them, and I am proud to call them friends to this day. But percentage wise, the number of wackos at NJA was far higher than any other job I had prior, and since.
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Wonder if its the same Falcon guy that got married in his uniform...
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Originally Posted by OhSnapAF View Post
Worst pilot group overall, that I have ever flown with, was at NJA.



In the 2.5 years at my current job, I have flown with maybe 1 or 2 that I would consider putting on the do not fly list. At NJA, it was easily a 50/50 shot on whether to not you would fly with a complete and total wack job or weirdo.



Problem is, the majority of NJA pilots were hired when the airlines were furloughing, so they took all comers. That included people that couldn't pass an airline interview, scabs, and airline furloughs/layoffs. That demographic makes up at least 60% of the pilot group, and a lot never returned/couldn't return to an airline job. Not to say that there aren't weirdos at the airlines, or that only weirdos are attracted to fractional jobs, but there is a common theme. Flex/Flops guys prove that time and time again. Every time I met a long time Flops pilot I wanted to take a shower after, they were so odd, all of them.



NetJets was the first job where I met pilots who were flat earthers. I didn't think a pilot could earn an ATP, and fly long distances, yet completely ignore math, science, and provable fact, but they exist. From staunch racism, fringe extreme political views, odd behavior, guys carrying binders around to show how many law suits they have against the company, people trying to convince you that there are aliens living underground etc. I had never really experienced any of that before NJA.



That being said I met some truly amazing people there and had unforgettably positive tours with them, and I am proud to call them friends to this day. But percentage wise, the number of wackos at NJA was far higher than any other job I had prior, and since.
I do my best to stay away from opinion and keep things fact based- your 50% who you would not want to fly with is either a gross exaggeration or points the finger back to yourself as someone people don't want to spend time flying with, at least for 7 staight days. I've been at NJA for over 13 years and have had exactly 2 pilots I would call in sick for to avoid if necessary. Luckily I was never paired with either again so I never had to resort to that. I'm not denying that there are some whack jobs. Many of them have actually experienced job Darwinism or retirement since you left. You are probably taking a little too much time out of your life to compare your brief time here to the airlines on threads that are supposed to be comparing with another fractional. The airlines are a better deal for the vast majority, but there are quite a few of us that most likely could go to the airlines if that is what we wanted, but after doing the truly abstract calculus that it takes to make the best choice for what is right for us and/ or our families, have decided that this is actually a good enough job with all it's benefits and warts to stick it out. I don't have a problem with calling out lies, but you will probably be a bit happier focusing on all the better things you have at your current job than slamming your former evidently poor choice to work here. Live the glass half full life! I'm happy you got a better deal for you.

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