Leave Regional for FlexJet?
06-16-2019, 11:17 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by Avi8tor441
A 5 year captain (assuming you are in the phenom) banks 111 a year. A 5 year FO at United...154k a year. That does not include per, benefits, override, premium trips or anything. Retirement? Flex can’t hold a candle to a major. Take it from a guy who made the choice to spend 12 years flying 135. I am ready to make the jump. United, southwest and Alaska all have my resume. I will be another 2-4 years before I become competitive. This is coming from 5 internal recs I have at United. They hire 40% from 121, 40% military and just 20% from 135/corporate/91k.
06-17-2019, 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Slight correction, assuming a five-year UAL guy bids up a bit from the guppy, pay is $170-180 per hour. Plus 16% retirement contribution. Plus bonuses. So significantly more than $154K/year. Even on the guppy. Similar at all legacies/SWA.
06-17-2019, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by captjns
First off.... ya gotta get hired by SWA, AA, DAL, UAL.... etc. Until then... it’s pie in the sky.
Call me lazy, pay my dues etc, but I've been there done that. If the majors get desperate enough that they will hire phenom pilots without degrees, I'll be there. Until then, I'd kind of rather be home based and make ok money.
Just the way I feel.
06-17-2019, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by rswitz
This. I don't feel like spending the next several years commuting to a crashpad while taking online classes about underwater basket weaving. I know a lot of guys did/do that and respect to all of you.
Call me lazy, pay my dues etc, but I've been there done that. If the majors get desperate enough that they will hire phenom pilots without degrees, I'll be there. Until then, I'd kind of rather be home based and make ok money.
Just the way I feel.
Call me lazy, pay my dues etc, but I've been there done that. If the majors get desperate enough that they will hire phenom pilots without degrees, I'll be there. Until then, I'd kind of rather be home based and make ok money.
Just the way I feel.
Good luck to you!
PS-Don’t believe the hype. The Majors will never be so desperate to hire without a degree unless you are in a flow through program.
06-18-2019, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by FNGFO
It’s always been true. For a short time you could put yourself on a don’t call me list, but the company begged off of that.
Basically, as long as you get 10 hours of rest you can be called up to 6 hours prior to your original duty start time to show up 4 hours before you original duty start time. This policy is called the “change band” and was instituted probably 6-7 years ago as a way to keep dispatch from lighting you up completely at will.
So duty off at 5pm with an expected duty on time of 9am and a phone call at 3 am is entirely possible.
Basically, as long as you get 10 hours of rest you can be called up to 6 hours prior to your original duty start time to show up 4 hours before you original duty start time. This policy is called the “change band” and was instituted probably 6-7 years ago as a way to keep dispatch from lighting you up completely at will.
So duty off at 5pm with an expected duty on time of 9am and a phone call at 3 am is entirely possible.
06-18-2019, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by hawkerpilot05
Wow, and you wonder what it is like without a union. If we had this at NetJets, I would be long gone.
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06-18-2019, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MOGuy
I’ll lay this out for you as well. I’m at busy charter and I had always planned to move on after x years here to a major. It’s not impossible and many current legacy/SWA/JB/Spirit pilots came from my company. With that said you will need a far superior resume than your average regional line pilot. A BS isn’t a guarantee these days either. You need volunteer, leadership positions, and probably more flight time than the run of the mill 121 pilot. I love working for this company and we have a great culture and tons of fun flying but I myself am even starting my Masters Degree online this fall bc I know I need to be way above the average regional 121 Captain. Food for thought along your journey as flight time and a BS don’t seem to be the golden ticket anymore.
Good luck to you!
PS-Don’t believe the hype. The Majors will never be so desperate to hire without a degree unless you are in a flow through program.
Good luck to you!
PS-Don’t believe the hype. The Majors will never be so desperate to hire without a degree unless you are in a flow through program.
While that is absolutely true now, that could very well change 5-10 yrs down the road.
There are more mandatory retirements during the next 10-15 yrs than there are total pilots at the regionals.
Unlike booms in the past, that were mostly based on growth, these pilots HAVE to retire.
I'm sorry, but this time IS different than booms in the past. This is simple math, not educated speculation.
That being said, to those that don't have one (and that includes myself)......just get the degree!
06-18-2019, 07:42 PM
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This decision comes down to if you want to be at a 121 or not. Caveat: I'm a 19 year NetJets pilot. If I were in your shoes, I would stay the course and get my degree online. It's not that difficult (I finished my MBA online while working at NetJets). Simultaneously, I would have my apps out to the 121 carriers. If that is not something you want to do, and decide to fly fractional for a career, I would NOT go to Flexjet. I know, I'm bias. But if you're planning on a career at the fractionals, NetJets should be your choice, for all of the reasons that you see in this thread. If you go to Flexjets now, you WILL regret it later.
06-20-2019, 07:46 PM
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Rolling rest?
I believe the FJ FOM changed its verbiage to the FO FOM in regards to this. It has always stated that you get your 10 hours off then after that you are in extended rest and they can try to contact you during that time. It says you are expected to answer your phone and they used it frequently. When the union was voted in the contract specifically said that you did not have to answer your phone and the company stopped trying. Since the union has been voted out I haven't heard of anyone being called after their 10 hours of rest but before their scheduled duty on time. Most guys I have flown with still put their phones on silent till duty on time. Again though it still is in the FOM.
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