Originally Posted by flightlessbirds

Corporate and charter outfits have two choices: actually pay market rate for running or chartering a plane

Originally Posted by SonicFlyer

Until the point that it becomes too expensive to pay market rate, then everyone goes out of business.

Originally Posted by Flyfalcons

If a company is unwilling to pay enough for employees to show up, then they deserve to go out of business.

Originally Posted by galaxy flyer

Very EU-centric article where pay for charter/corporate is very low by comparison to the US and operators have typically been pretty casual about crews. In the US, pay for experienced pilots has risen dramatically which has put pressure on bottom-feeding 135 operators. I’ve seen charter operators with 900 hour jet F/Os.

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Originally Posted by chase

What would you point to that makes it slanted?

A world wide recession would probably minimize some of the shortfall...less demand but the aging of the pilot fleet will continue regardless of recessions or not.

Would a lessening of demand of pilots for new planes, retiring pilots at 121 operations match the reduction in pilots positions that would result in a recession?

Hard to say but some lessening of the demand for pilots would occur.

If there are other variables they left out I'd be interested to hear your view.

I think they simply took some numbers/projections from companies that are in the know for what is being bought/sold/retired from their airline/Part 135 customers.

As far as indicators the shortage is occurring:

Some Part 135 ops are offering "part-time" positions for pilots, one rotation a month versus the standard 2...that wouldn't be happening unless normal schedules weren't enough of a lure to get pilots to be "semi-retired"

The first signs of a shortage are the recent (18-24 months) of increase in regional pay + bonuses. If there wasn't a shortage regional FOs would still be making sub $20K salary and they aren't.

SWA, Delta, JB are setting up aviation tracks for zero to hero flight training...never been done before in the US.

Regionals asking for and getting relief on the 1500 ATP hr rules.

Past 9 yrs seat capacity has been reduced on RJs by 4.5%.
Mainline has increased 14.5%

It won't happen overnight but regionals will feel it first as evidenced above and that means the Part 135/91 folks will be feeling it also.

The only relief valve for these two groups are the increased pool of retired 121 drivers...that is if you can entice them with enough money to lure them from the golf course, fishing pond, i.e. part-time jobs.

Just my $.02

Originally Posted by TyWebb

All 121 ops have received relief, but the regionals are the ones taking advantage... 750hrs for military trained, 1000hrs 4-year aviation degree, 1250hrs 2-year aviation degree.

Originally Posted by dbflyer

That's not relief from the rule, that is the rule.

Originally Posted by dbflyer

That's not relief from the rule, that is the rule.