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Old 11-19-2019, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DH2time View Post
Well since there is absolutely no comparison nowadays between NJA and Major airlines let’s just say from now on all comparisons are regionals vs NJA when the phrase 121 is used.

It’s most likely more realistic anyway, they both are a stepping stone to the majors. I don’t mean any disrespect since you can make a good living at both but you see people leave NJA/Regionals for Major airlines you do NOT see the flow going the other way unless it’s age 65.
Exactly...

They’re coming in droves after the pink slip for hitting 65. To put the crop to this mule one more time...I’ve flown w many ex airline types that to the man said 121 was far superior in pay and schedules. I doubt very many ex-nutjeters went to a legacy and pine for the good ol’ days of dragging the cat box out of a Ce560.
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Old 11-19-2019, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Thedude86 View Post
... I think the OP is still living in yesteryear. Legacy 121 and NJA aren’t even in the same ball park.
The OP was saying... when posters keep comparing both and say ng how life/benefits/pay is so much better at the "121", that it should be underlined ed that it is at the majors/legacy, that "life is like paradise on earth", not ALL 121, and especially not the regionals and definitely not PSA, but it's definitely worth it for the 10 years flow.

Originally Posted by Thedude86 View Post
I’m at PSA. While the NJA group is making more than I am....it’s not by much. [...] I haven’t even been here 5 years yet and I should be pretty close to 125k this year while getting 15-18 days off (of my choosing) every month.
LOL, funny there. YEAR 1 at NJA, flying a 20,000 lbs aircraft, is $80K or $85K, and after FDP and other overtime a Year 1 guy average what you make at Year 5 as a Captain.

and if you want 15 days guarantee per month, 7 on 7 off, schedule set, predicted, for the next 3-4 years if you want, you'll make min. guarantee $65K Year 1 and get around $100K with FDP and overtime. So, not even close, especially PSA where you guys are struggling to fly 75 hrs/month.

Anyway, I am getting off track. My point was yes, NJA is not at all like the majors/legacy but when people say it's so much better at the major, I am supposing that they are comparing with the majors/legacy, not the regionals. So, we agree
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Old 11-19-2019, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DH2time View Post
Well since there is absolutely no comparison nowadays between NJA and Major airlines let’s just say from now on all comparisons are regionals vs NJA when the phrase 121 is used.

It’s most likely more realistic anyway, they both are a stepping stone to the majors. I don’t mean any disrespect since you can make a good living at both but you see people leave NJA/Regionals for Major airlines you do NOT see the flow going the other way unless it’s age 65.
This from a guy who doesn’t even know the origins of the word Brauh but uses it often.

You just have to justify your move to 121 anyway you can.

Don’t worry Bruh (Hawaiian). We’ll be fine here.

Enjoy your red eye.

By the way, there very much are numerous comparisons of NetJets to 121... and the career categories 121 held a strong winning margin over NetJets have closed considerably over the last 15 years.

In another 15, I’m sure you’ll still claim a larger margin for some peripheral reason... and that’s fine.

Bruh.
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Old 11-19-2019, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Retractable View Post
This from a guy who doesn’t even know the origins of the word Brauh but uses it often.

You just have to justify your move to 121 anyway you can.

Don’t worry Bruh (Hawaiian). We’ll be fine here.

Enjoy your red eye.

By the way, there very much are numerous comparisons of NetJets to 121... and the career categories 121 held a strong winning margin over NetJets have closed considerably over the last 15 years.

In another 15, I’m sure you’ll still claim a larger margin for some peripheral reason... and that’s fine.

Bruh.
Still hung up on my speech huh? That’s alright I could really care less as I use the word putz sometimes and I’m not German.

We don’t do red eyes, though according to my spreadsheet I did 42 in 12 years that departed between 2300L-0300L at NJA. So odds are you do them more than me but eh, easy to get direct brah.

ua hopu iā ʻoe ma mua o 250, Baghdad Bob!
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Old 11-19-2019, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by osuav8r View Post
While we're being pedantic, your use of "major" is technically incorrect. The DOT defines a major airline as one with more than a billion dollars of revenue. Envoy, Republic, and Skywest are all technically "major airlines". You're giving people a hard time about saying 121 when it's pretty well understood that they're talking about the top paying legacy airline jobs while in the same breath using the term "majors" incorrectly.
Here on APC we use the "industry standard" definition of "Major", which is based on business model, and type of aircraft flown, vice revenue.

Nobody expect gubmint bean counters use the gubmint definition.
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Old 11-19-2019, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DH2time View Post
Still hung up on my speech huh? That’s alright I could really care less as I use the word putz sometimes and I’m not German.

We don’t do red eyes, though according to my spreadsheet I did 42 in 12 years that departed between 2300L-0300L at NJA. So odds are you do them more than me but eh, easy to get direct brah.

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he pā liʻiliʻi kona huahana bruh. i oi haahaa oukou. maikaʻi mākou iā ʻoe. e kāne

How’s Hawaiian Airlines?
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Old 11-19-2019, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Retractable View Post
he pā liʻiliʻi kona huahana bruh. i oi haahaa oukou. maikaʻi mākou iā ʻoe. e kāne

How’s Hawaiian Airlines?
Beats me brah, I assume Hawaiian is doing well considering their NEOs are all over the West coast.

How’s Turkish Airlines?
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Old 11-20-2019, 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DH2time View Post
Beats me brah, I assume Hawaiian is doing well considering their NEOs are all over the West coast.

How’s Turkish Airlines?
I’ve never been to a Turkish Prison.

And I think you know how Hawaiian is doing.

Brah.

“This is the slang term for "bro" which is slang for brother..a slang inside a slang 8) THIS ORIGINATED IN THE STATE OF HAWAII! for those who think that it originated in southern california or where ever, your are miss informed. It is the pigeon (english-hawaiian slang) word that is used state wide in Hawaii not only by surfers but by all people born and raised in hawaii of all racial groups. and it pains me when i hear cali haole tourist say it.”

They’ll know you’re a Haole unless you know the islands history.

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Old 11-20-2019, 05:37 AM
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I didn’t know you were a diachronic linguist. Actually a really cool hobby, I’m glad you found a hobby. The history of words and phrases is quite satisfying. I have heard. Not for me brah, but I’m glad you found something.

Take care brah!
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Originally Posted by Thedude86 View Post
I agree. NJA vs. regional 121 is a better comparison. I think the OP is still living in yesteryear. Legacy 121 and NJA aren’t even in the same ball park. 1st year is close but you’re still coming out ahead at a Legacy 121 carrier. Then 2nd year youre making similar if not more than a NJA captain all while having more days off even if you’re flying narrow body domestic.

I’m at PSA. While the NJA group is making more than I am....it’s not by much. And I would argue even if PSA was my final stepping stone and I had to start over... I would still go to PSA or a few other regionals before NJA since the pay gap has closed quite a bit and you have a lot more schedule flexibility at the airlines. I haven’t even been here 5 years yet and I should be pretty close to 125k this year while getting 15-18 days off (of my choosing) every month. Or as some people on here like to say... I only had to work 4-5 months this year after vacation. This includes a 20% pay raise in April. So next year I should be close to 140k. Also, some of the other regionals have better work rules. My buddies at endeavor are making over 150k with similar days off. FOs at PSA are making 60k-70k. Endeavor and Republic FOs are making 70k-90k. This DOES NOT include bonuses. Yes that’s lower than NJA but with the schedule flexibility it’s almost a wash. I’ve read of some NJA pilots making significantly more but it sounds like those guys are working their butt off almost living out of a suitcase. Not for me.
Well said. NJA pilots that have been there a long time, have no clue what the current state of the regional airline industry is in terms of pay and benefits. Most of them think regionals are flying Metroliners starting at 21k a year and PFT.

What I will add, is that maybe the comparison of NJA versus is regionals is only really unfair as regionals are not designed to be career jobs. But what I would say, is that I would venture to say that the vast majority of NJA pilots didn't envision a career at NJA until they were forced to. I wonder what the amount of new hires now going to NJA are that have zero desire to ever leave...
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