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Old 01-16-2020, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DH2time View Post
See this is the lack of precision I mentioned earlier. There is no such thing as a 737-800 /900 MAX.

You get a MAX 7/8/9/10. Those are your choices. Actually FAA designee is 737-7/-8/-9/-10. Those are all paperweights right now.

Or you got 737-700/800/900 NG models. Those are all one armed bandits right now.

MAX 200 and BBJ versions of the MAX are also available. Why they want to place over 200 people in a narrow tube is beyond me.

Yup...

and they’re all grounded. Still.

Call them whatever... they are fancy ramp art in 2019/2020.

Meanwhile, the Phenom 300s are and have remained in continuous flying status since FAA approval.

You see, there’s. Difference between accuracy and precision.

YOU should study that difference. “Precision” does not guarantee a bullseye... or accuracy. It just means you’re perpetually wrong but wrong in the same way every time.

Congrats.
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Old 01-16-2020, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dutchroller View Post
Regarding expansion, how many pilots are on the seniority list now vs pre furlough?


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It’s probably important to look at pilot earnings over the same period of time as well. “More” is the answer. “Higher” would also be correct.

The crewing formula has almost been achieved... and the seniority list will be increasing from here in 2020 as the fleet grows.

Pre 2019, NJA was bloated and inefficient as compared to today’s staffing models... and pay wasn’t as high meaning we could have always made more with fewer people but some (including you) seem to thing there is pure strength in numbers.

Staffing, profitability and pay are three related items whose balance determines relative satisfaction of the business from several stakeholder vantages.

I know... it’s not as simple as A to B but most things in business are hardly simple equations.
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Old 01-16-2020, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Balloons View Post
The expansion he is talking about is getting less pilots to be more productive. The pilot group is stagnant/shrinking.

Until 2020, I believe the goal was to align staffing needs of an increasing fleet; now at 453 (while rewarding the remaining staff with more pay for increased utility.

Management and NJASAP have done a fantastic job in this effort. The pilot group has followed through in step.

NetJets has seen a 15% increase in aircraft hulls being operated all while replacing 100% of the existing fleet since this new path began. Has Alaska provided a 15% increase in fleet size since you left for there? No.

Let’s call the incentive pay of FDP a 12% increase in pay added on top of the gains seen in the 2015 CBA of 20%. Has Alaska provided its membership with a 32% increase in pay since you arrived? No.

The message board for Alaska is replete with examples of how many of the pilot membership are “single and looking”, not enthused with the current direction, feel undervalued and underpaid.

I’m pretty sure you’d of been better staying at NetJets bro... but maybe we all here are a little better off for your decision making conclusion. Just maybe.
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Old 01-16-2020, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Retractable View Post
It’s probably important to look at pilot earnings over the same period of time as well. “More” is the answer. “Higher” would also be correct.



The crewing formula has almost been achieved... and the seniority list will be increasing from here in 2020 as the fleet grows.



Pre 2019, NJA was bloated and inefficient as compared to today’s staffing models... and pay wasn’t as high meaning we could have always made more with fewer people but some (including you) seem to thing there is pure strength in numbers.



Staffing, profitability and pay are three related items whose balance determines relative satisfaction of the business from several stakeholder vantages.



I know... it’s not as simple as A to B but most things in business are hardly simple equations.


I wasn’t there for the fatigue mitigation contract, but I do know that after the 2015 contract, my pay was less than if the pay scale was simply adjusted for inflation from the last contract.

The closer you are to the bottom of the list, the more pure numbers are important.


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Old 01-16-2020, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Retractable View Post
Yup...

and they’re all grounded. Still.

Call them whatever... they are fancy ramp art in 2019/2020.

Meanwhile, the Phenom 300s are and have remained in continuous flying status since FAA approval.

You see, there’s. Difference between accuracy and precision.

YOU should study that difference. “Precision” does not guarantee a bullseye... or accuracy. It just means you’re perpetually wrong but wrong in the same way every time.

Congrats.

You can not admit you are not accurate and not precise in your language, so because of that you have difficulty in relations I assume. Divorced? My guess is yes with your style of communication.

The 700/800 are NGs. The MAXS are something totally different and they are parked all over the place collecting dust. You misstated the facts earlier and instead of saying “oops, sorry” you pivot.

I can only assume by the inaccuracy and lack of precision that most of your statements and flying speeds that your information is inaccurate most of the time.

I do like when you are wrong you like to try to pivot, to direct the attention somewhere else. Such as using the word Brah, you don’t touch on the facts of the arguments because you can not dissect those, you pivot....it’s 8th grade play school debate club,
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Old 01-16-2020, 05:18 PM
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At some point, it’s best to let the asylum patients simply talk to themselves!
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Old 01-16-2020, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DH2time View Post
You can not admit you are not accurate and not precise in your language, so because of that you have difficulty in relations I assume. Divorced? My guess is yes with your style of communication.

The 700/800 are NGs. The MAXS are something totally different and they are parked all over the place collecting dust. You misstated the facts earlier and instead of saying “oops, sorry” you pivot.

I can only assume by the inaccuracy and lack of precision that most of your statements and flying speeds that your information is inaccurate most of the time.

I do like when you are wrong you like to try to pivot, to direct the attention somewhere else. Such as using the word Brah, you don’t touch on the facts of the arguments because you can not dissect those, you pivot....it’s 8th grade play school debate club,
and to be accurate and precise... the 737 MAX is costing jobs and upgrades everyday.
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Old 01-16-2020, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Balloons View Post
Nail on the head. His misdirection is to cover up his inability to defend the stuff he says, which is why he is the laughing stock of his own company message board ever since Roundtree got his lifetime ban. As for the divorce, he can answer why he has to extend 5-6 days every single month...
Well, to be fair, the Shrub is a unique, passive-aggressive, self congratulatory, delusional, narcissistic numbskull. But I hadn't heard the Lee Bro got a lifetime ban. Nor that the Shrub precipitated it.

But it does make for great message board theater...
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Old 01-16-2020, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Balloons View Post
Nail on the head. His misdirection is to cover up his inability to defend the stuff he says, which is why he is the laughing stock of his own company message board ever since Roundtree got his lifetime ban. As for the divorce, he can answer why he has to extend 5-6 days every single month...

Tree did get a prolonged MB suspension, but it was not lifetime. Great dude
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Old 01-16-2020, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by C2078 View Post
Tree did get a prolonged MB suspension, but it was not lifetime. Great dude
wow they let him back on?
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