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Old 01-18-2020, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Retractable View Post
Earnings at SWA are based on longevity, seat and seniority. And you’re not a captain there.

Earnings at NetJets are based on many more variables and frankly it’s more about how much exposure to the schedule you make yourself. The rest just happens as scheduling opportunity allows for. Some months there’s opportunity. Some not. You bid your schedule and have other selected options like PTO sell back, longevity bonus or working holidays that add up. And they do add up.

The pay range is pretty wide based on many factors.
Just stop. Stop explaining away and making excuses. NJA salary isn’t based on anything more than YOS, your schedule , and how much you fly beyond base hours. You can exaggerate FDP pay and still come up way short. This is the reality, those that have left NJA and are working for an airline know this. You don’t, but you refuse to believe anyone that goes against your narrative. Get over yourself, 5 years ago you were pretending to be pro pilot and holding a sign that said “60% of airline pay” so don’t think for one second that anyone who knows your track record, believes you. Do you believe you?”
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Old 01-18-2020, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Retractable View Post
Earnings at SWA are based on longevity, seat and seniority. And you’re not a captain there.

Earnings at NetJets are based on many more variables and frankly it’s more about how much exposure to the schedule you make yourself. The rest just happens as scheduling opportunity allows for. Some months there’s opportunity. Some not. You bid your schedule and have other selected options like PTO sell back, longevity bonus or working holidays that add up. And they do add up.

The pay range is pretty wide based on many factors.

Is that how we are paid?!? I had no idea. Sarcasm off.

Not totally correct bartender. Pay at WN is actually paid based on how much exposure one wants to make themselves. Through ELTT, MOT, DOT, SNOT and TTGA one picks up or trades for things they want. Sometimes giving up days at home for extra pay. Sometimes getting more days at home for more pay. Sometimes giving up pay for extra time at home. Average lines are around 17.5 days off, none less than 15 so you make yourself available by picking stuff up. I got a line that is 18 off. I picked up a 3 day through TTGA. Traded it through ELTT and ended up with an extra 23.5 for the month than what was awarded. I decided what I want to do, not some Air Boss in CMH that is “selling” lamps on eBay for a trip to HI that pays extra.

Get reassigned and the pay goes up for more work or the pay stays the same for less work. Get stuck on last day, get paid extra. Holidays? Get paid extra if I want to bid for them or I don’t. Want to work over vacation? I can if I want (restrictions apply).

Sure wish we could sell sick days back though. Some guys have 1600 and at year 12 PIC pay that’s over a 1/3 a million sitting there.
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Old 01-18-2020, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Balloons View Post
Just stop. Stop explaining away and making excuses. NJA salary isn’t based on anything more than YOS, your schedule , and how much you fly beyond base hours. You can exaggerate FDP pay and still come up way short. This is the reality, those that have left NJA and are working for an airline know this. You don’t, but you refuse to believe anyone that goes against your narrative. Get over yourself, 5 years ago you were pretending to be pro pilot and holding a sign that said “60% of airline pay” so don’t think for one second that anyone who knows your track record, believes you. Do you believe you?”
The bartender was at the pickets? Seriously?
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Old 01-18-2020, 10:58 AM
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Is all this NJA salary spin just to justify not taking recall??
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Old 01-18-2020, 01:54 PM
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The bartender was at the pickets? Seriously?
I have a picture of it, it's hilarious. The guy stood next to a sign that said 60% of airline pay, yet fast forward 5 years later he tries to pretend that a 25-30k raise pushes NJA salary over every major airline.

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Is all this NJA salary spin just to justify not taking recall??
Probably. American can be a dumpster fire but I have a couple friends that took recall that I keep in touch with and they are happy they did. I am sure there are many that didn't take recall with good reason, and are happy they stayed. It's comfortable for sure, but they know they probably left some money on the table. Certainly nothing wrong with that choice though, QOL should be #1.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Balloons View Post
I have a picture of it, it's hilarious. The guy stood next to a sign that said 60% of airline pay, yet fast forward 5 years later he tries to pretend that a 25-30k raise pushes NJA salary over every major airline.



Probably. American can be a dumpster fire but I have a couple friends that took recall that I keep in touch with and they are happy they did. I am sure there are many that didn't take recall with good reason, and are happy they stayed. It's comfortable for sure, but they know they probably left some money on the table. Certainly nothing wrong with that choice though, QOL should be #1.

You’re not going to post what you made.

That says enough. It’s not worth showing.

we get it.

You’d just rather take pot shots at tour former employer as of NetJets was a lesser option than what you have now but in actuality, you might have miscalculated your departure decision as your current trajectory is... lack luster.

It’s not the fact that we make mistakes... it’s that you own up to them.

But you got that big jet though!
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Retractable View Post
You’re not going to post what you made.

That says enough. It’s not worth showing.

we get it.

You’d just rather take pot shots at tour former employer as of NetJets was a lesser option than what you have now but in actuality, you might have miscalculated your departure decision as your current trajectory is... lack luster.

It’s not the fact that we make mistakes... it’s that you own up to them.

But you got that big jet though!


It would be quite easy to get a good idea of his salary. Airline salaries are a lot less nebulous than netjets pay.


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Old 01-18-2020, 08:16 PM
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It would be quite easy to get a good idea of his salary. Airline salaries are a lot less nebulous than netjets pay.


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It’s a losing battle. He would calculate it, find the answer then misdirect like he always does.
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Retractable View Post
You’re not going to post what you made.

That says enough. It’s not worth showing.

we get it.

You’d just rather take pot shots at tour former employer as of NetJets was a lesser option than what you have now but in actuality, you might have miscalculated your departure decision as your current trajectory is... lack luster.

It’s not the fact that we make mistakes... it’s that you own up to them.

But you got that big jet though!
Whatever you gotta tell yourself to sleep at night slugger, have at it. The outlook at Alaska is what it is, but it looks a helluva lot better than if I would have stayed for my personal situation . I’m not even that big of a fan of Alaska and I’m way happier where I am now. And I less take shots of my former employer, as much as I take shots at you for your little made up reality. Luckily we all know differently. You aren’t convincing a single former NJA employee that is now happy are their current employer, that they regret that decision. You want them to regret that decision because you’re butthurt at the way your career turned out. I get it dude, nobody wants to work 24 days a month to make up for their past and you can’t possibly stand looking at others with long careers ahead of them. But hey that’s the hand you were dealt, get over it.

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Old 01-18-2020, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Balloons View Post
Just stop. Stop explaining away and making excuses. NJA salary isn’t based on anything more than YOS, your schedule , and how much you fly beyond base hours. You can exaggerate FDP pay and still come up way short. This is the reality, those that have left NJA and are working for an airline know this. You don’t, but you refuse to believe anyone that goes against your narrative. Get over yourself, 5 years ago you were pretending to be pro pilot and holding a sign that said “60% of airline pay” so don’t think for one second that anyone who knows your track record, believes you. Do you believe you?”
The personal stuff on retractable is pretty dead on, but the pay at NJA is more complicated than you are allowing for. I know captains with over 40K in overtime pay- not FDP flight hours. Selling back sick days can also add up to 13K+ for a PIC. There truly is quite good money to be made at NetJets now, but it is earned with a lot more work days and effort than the airlines.

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