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Old 01-13-2020, 10:34 AM   #61  
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Yeah, but I guess back in the day, on the farm, you slept in your own bed every night of the year and saw your wife and kids every day.

To me, what you are doing is "living to work" and not "working to live". Not that I would prefer the farmer lifestyle, mind you. But the 7/7 with 28 days vacation sounds like a much better work/life balance to me. Money is not everything.
Well, then the airlines or fractionals may not be the right choice for you.
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Well, then the airlines or fractionals may not be the right choice for you.
That makes no sense. I said the 7/7 plus 28 days vacation sounds pretty good. I just don't chase every possible dollar by working as much as I can. I work a reduced schedule myself (not at NJA) and quite happily accept the associated reduction in pay.

Having said that, if somebody wants to work as much as possible to maximize income that's of course cool as well.

But as others have said, it is possible to work relatively little and make a lot of money in aviation in the US these days. In NJA you can make pretty good money but you work quite hard for it, in aviation terms.

At the best airline employers you can make more money for less work. You guys have it good in the US right now as you are spoilt for choice
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Is the 14 year upgrade time frame listed under the profiles page accurate?
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Is the 14 year upgrade time frame listed under the profiles page accurate?

Right now, yes.

It may whittle down to around a decade over the next few years. But it depends on the economy (fleet growth), regulatory change (age limit please God, or rest/duty regs requiring more pilots), and the shifting demographics of the pilot group.
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Is the 14 year upgrade time frame listed under the profiles page accurate?

It is for now...

325 FOs remain to be upgraded in about 4.5 years at the current rate of upgrades per month. Personally, I believe that rate will increase at some point in the future.

After the 325 next for upgrade, there was a period of no hiring from 2008-2015. The most senior FO of that next group was hired in 2015... so 4-5 years of service is where they are.

If the rate of upgrades remains constant, we’ll have a 10 year upgrade at that point. Subject to change with an increase in hiring and upgrades as NetJets grows.
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That is with the IBI signing bonus, and still working 17 days a month. Not bad money but I still feel you guys should be making more.

And commute? No thanks.
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And commute? No thanks.
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And commute? No thanks.

All Commutes are not created equal. Some are much easier than others. For example, a couple of NJ folks that went to Fedex commute to MEM from MCO. Fedex has morning and night flights to MEM, you can commute in for your trip nearly 100% of the time. VERY EASY and stress free.

Now if you live in Des Moines and commute to SFO, well, that is a different story.
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All Commutes are not created equal. Some are much easier than others. For example, a couple of NJ folks that went to Fedex commute to MEM from MCO. Fedex has morning and night flights to MEM, you can commute in for your trip nearly 100% of the time. VERY EASY and stress free.

Now if you live in Des Moines and commute to SFO, well, that is a different story.
NJA pilots commute. Literally just walked by an NJA CA in the terminal in AUS waiting to board with his group 6 boarding pass. He and an airline commuter were posted against the wall, waiting to board last. Granted the quality of an airline flight can vary greatly for NJA pilots but I would absolutely argue that there are plenty of airline pilots with easier commutes to work than what a lot of NJA pilots have to endure. 3 legs and 12 hours of travel in a middle seat isn’t cooler just because NJA buys you a ticket.
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It is for now...

325 FOs remain to be upgraded in about 4.5 years at the current rate of upgrades per month. Personally, I believe that rate will increase at some point in the future.

After the 325 next for upgrade, there was a period of no hiring from 2008-2015. The most senior FO of that next group was hired in 2015... so 4-5 years of service is where they are.

If the rate of upgrades remains constant, we’ll have a 10 year upgrade at that point. Subject to change with an increase in hiring and upgrades as NetJets grows.
When you say "325 remain to be upgraded in 4.5 years" that implies there is a commitment by the company to upgrade those FOs within a timeframe If this is based on how many people have recently upgraded, that estimate is completely worthless. Without a mandatory retirement, guaranteed fleet growth, changes to staffing requirements - each and every upgrade exists in a vacuum and is not an indication or harbinger of future upgrades.
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