NetJets lowering hiring mins
01-17-2020, 07:01 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by hawkerpilot05
The CBA prevents a training contract. Also, on probation the CBA allows for 2 attempts to passing your check ride. However, a "not to recommend for checkride" counts as 1 fail.
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01-17-2020, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Balloons
I am sure the company is already working on relief to the CBA. Two ATP rated pilots are required as well, I suspect that might change in the future. The training cost and footprint is significant so trying to stop pilots from bailing to the next best job, is in the company’s interest.
I've known quite a few who entirely avoid places because they don't want to work 8/6 (or 17/13...or [insert schedule]).
If you want to stop people from bailing, make it a place they WANT to stay. Don't use artificial blocking measures.
01-17-2020, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
From what I've seen instructing in the 135/91 stuff, a lot of corporate operators still haven't figured out that pilots are [mostly] leaving because of QOL 1st, pay 2nd. I know more than one person that has gone from $200k to under $100k (starting) simply because they want a schedule vs being on call 28 out of 30 days.
I've known quite a few who entirely avoid places because they don't want to work 8/6 (or 17/13...or [insert schedule]).
If you want to stop people from bailing, make it a place they WANT to stay. Don't use artificial blocking measures.
I've known quite a few who entirely avoid places because they don't want to work 8/6 (or 17/13...or [insert schedule]).
If you want to stop people from bailing, make it a place they WANT to stay. Don't use artificial blocking measures.
01-17-2020, 07:57 AM
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Realities of the free market system.
High demand and low supply. Either goose demand with the goal to incentivize people, signing bonus like regionals, or increase supply by lowering mins. Or a combination of both.
Either way I see NJA pilot pool drying up and the guys left to pick from will be like the pre 2000 pool and we all know how good those guys were.
High demand and low supply. Either goose demand with the goal to incentivize people, signing bonus like regionals, or increase supply by lowering mins. Or a combination of both.
Either way I see NJA pilot pool drying up and the guys left to pick from will be like the pre 2000 pool and we all know how good those guys were.
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01-17-2020, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Balloons
I wouldn’t say it significant in numbers either. However, factoring in career aviation jobs, and NJA being considered as such makes the fact that 15 year captains are leaving to be an FO at an airline, is in fact significant. It doesn’t happen like that at the airlines. I think FO attrition and especially new hire attrition will always be higher. Hiring FOs with low time and retired airline pilots is a smart move for NJA if they want to get their money’s worth so to speak. Certainly doesn’t guarantee they will stick around, but the amount of new hires that leave within 2 years is significant in number.
01-17-2020, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AirBear
Management told the recurrent class hiring mins are being lowered to 1500 hours, 250 multi. They're also willing to look at someone without a full ATP, but if you bust your initial checkride you're out the door. Info is confirmed by Union Reps. Hiring mins on the website have not been updated yet.
I'll let others speculate on the reasons, all I read was that they felt a lot of good applicants were being left behind because of the 2500hr requirement. Think military fighter types. I've also read 1st year attrition is something like 30% so that could have something to do with it, but that is speculation which I said I wouldn't do.
I'll let others speculate on the reasons, all I read was that they felt a lot of good applicants were being left behind because of the 2500hr requirement. Think military fighter types. I've also read 1st year attrition is something like 30% so that could have something to do with it, but that is speculation which I said I wouldn't do.
01-17-2020, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Balloons
I am sure the company is already working on relief to the CBA. Two ATP rated pilots are required as well, I suspect that might change in the future. The training cost and footprint is significant so trying to stop pilots from bailing to the next best job, is in the company’s interest.
The one problem NetJets doesn't have is people bailing. Attrition is so low its laughable. It would be great if people were bailing out.
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