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Old 01-17-2020, 11:04 AM
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Safety is their #1 marketing tool, there's no need for them to remove the ATP requirement, it sells QS. As far as lowering mins, that doesn't mean anything, SWA has 2,500, let me know last time they employed peeps with those numbers.

The one problem NetJets doesn't have is people bailing. Attrition is so low its laughable. It would be great if people were bailing out.
Safety might be their marketing tool, but if you can't staff planes, it is a non starter. Hiring mins were 2500, and now they are going to be 1500. I absolutely could see how it would become 750-1000 someday. NetJets isn't immune to the industry wide problem of pilot hiring. If legacy airlines are looking to flight schools for the future, NJA can't rest on its laurels and claim that safety is paramount if pilot seats go empty, and starts impacting the ability for rich people to get on their private jet.
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:08 AM
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Safety might be their marketing tool, but if you can't staff planes, it is a non starter. Hiring mins were 2500, and now they are going to be 1500. I absolutely could see how it would become 750-1000 someday. NetJets isn't immune to the industry wide problem of pilot hiring. If legacy airlines are looking to flight schools for the future, NJA can't rest on its laurels and claim that safety is paramount if pilot seats go empty, and starts impacting the ability for rich people to get on their private jet.
It's irrelevant whether minimums got done to 1,500, they've refused more than their fair share of interviewees with 6000+ throughout the year.
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:10 AM
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It's irrelevant whether minimums got done to 1,500, they've refused more than their fair share of interviewees with 6000+ throughout the year.
with attrition at 3-4 per month in a group of 2,400 pilots, they don't have problem to hire the numbers they "feel they need" monthly. We would need to see a pretty big aircraft increase to be desperate to hire in higher numbers.
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:18 AM
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It's irrelevant whether minimums got done to 1,500, they've refused more than their fair share of interviewees with 6000+ throughout the year.
You realize that is SOLELY because of their attractiveness to the airlines right? They aren't sending qualified 600+ hour guys away simply because of safety (I am sure they do sometimes). They wan't to stop people qualified to leave, from leaving shortly after being hired at NJA. A 1500 hour wet ticket ATP can't leave for an airline, a 6,000 hour ATP can be hired anywhere.
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:39 AM
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You realize that is SOLELY because of their attractiveness to the airlines right? They aren't sending qualified 600+ hour guys away simply because of safety (I am sure they do sometimes). They wan't to stop people qualified to leave, from leaving shortly after being hired at NJA. A 1500 hour wet ticket ATP can't leave for an airline, a 6,000 hour ATP can be hired anywhere.
I don't understand what you are writing. Netjets interview about 15-20 guys a month, out of those guys, they are right now hiring not more than 4-5 per month.... Most of those rejected are as competitive in numbers, most with minimum 6,000 hours TT. I am not saying that they are not selecting those guys because of safety, I am not sure what reasons are for each candidates, but I am saying that they are not struggling to attract guys with 6,000 + TT so the 1,500 isn't going to changer anything.

As far as leaving for the airlines... we are not loosing less than 10 pilots per month, and not all go to the 121, some retire or are medicated out. Netjets is not struggling with pilots.
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Old 01-17-2020, 12:32 PM
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I don't understand what you are writing. Netjets interview about 15-20 guys a month, out of those guys, they are right now hiring not more than 4-5 per month.... Most of those rejected are as competitive in numbers, most with minimum 6,000 hours TT. I am not saying that they are not selecting those guys because of safety, I am not sure what reasons are for each candidates, but I am saying that they are not struggling to attract guys with 6,000 + TT so the 1,500 isn't going to changer anything.

As far as leaving for the airlines... we are not loosing less than 10 pilots per month, and not all go to the 121, some retire or are medicated out. Netjets is not struggling with pilots.
You are missing a piece of the puzzle or incorrect on some numbers. There’s no motivation to lower hiring mins if they don’t have hiring or attrition issues. Would you agree?
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You are missing a piece of the puzzle or incorrect on some numbers. There’s no motivation to lower hiring mins if they don’t have hiring or attrition issues. Would you agree?
You just nailed it. The ONLY motivation to lower minimums is to widen the hiring pool and compensate for hiring issues.

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Old 01-17-2020, 04:53 PM
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I couldn’t agree more. I left NJA because of QOL first and pay as a close second. I just don’t see the nature of the operation at NJA ever changing significantly enough. QOL is subjective and for some, NJA is the best QOL job they’ve ever had. For me it was some of the worst QOL but everyone’s life situation is different. Hiring pilots that aren’t competitive to leave, is a smart temporary bandaid IMHO. You might keep 50% of those new hires long term.
The beauty of leaving NJ for a major as a 10 year fo, I was able to have a massive QOL improvement along with a pay raise. No brainer, but the decision to Leave NJ as a captain is def more of a QOL issue the first couple years until pay catches up.
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Old 01-17-2020, 05:02 PM
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The beauty of leaving NJ for a major as a 10 year fo, I was able to have a massive QOL improvement along with a pay raise. No brainer, but the decision to Leave NJ as a captain is def more of a QOL issue the first couple years until pay catches up.

Catches up to.. what exactly?

Give us a number please by what year?
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Catches up to.. what exactly?

Give us a number please by what year?
I have already told you I made more year 3 than my my year 5 NJA friends, no matter what schedule they were on. You can see the amount of days I worked and my compensation in the 121 salary thread. I know you love to discount what people say but let it go. The guy has worked for both NJA and an airline and is happy with his decision both financially and QOL wise.
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