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Old 02-23-2020, 12:05 PM
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I’ve said it more than once. AIR21 filing and it will stop. NJA has lost every single AIR 21 case against them, they would lose that one too.
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Old 02-24-2020, 08:56 PM
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From cheerleader to getting canned. Way more to that story.l than you are telling.
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I'd skip NetJets, old games by management are returning, the new contract "shine" is wearing off. The preach one thing in indoctrination and practice another on the line, got more than one phone call for fatiguing after multi 3 AM walkup 14 hour days and calling in sick. IUf you military avoid this place! Buyer be ware!
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Old 02-25-2020, 07:48 AM
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From cheerleader to getting canned. Way more to that story.l than you are telling.
For the record I did not get canned! Left for practicing what they preached in indoc, It did appreciate the severance package and continued benefits.
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Old 02-25-2020, 07:57 AM
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And there in lies the sad cultural environment at NJA. You have to have a captain ask fo fatigue for you for fear of being fired...
YA I should have done that! I was to much of a cool-aid drinker to realize a call from the "fleet-manager" while on probation was not a well being call as it was sold but a warning. Let me be clear I loved working at NJA but got a bitter taste in my mouth being called to Columbus last week of probation to talk about a sick call and fatigue calll that occurred 7 month earlier! Felt pretty used and left with a few benefits!!
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Old 02-25-2020, 09:42 AM
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I’ve said it more than once. AIR21 filing and it will stop. NJA has lost every single AIR 21 case against them, they would lose that one too.
Not true. They have won quite a few and were able to get an agreement on others that were then dropped which you could surmise to mean something. But outright losing a case is few and far between.

As for probation, legacy carriers practice the same. Or at least pilots I have run into who left during probation said it was the company's fault. On probation you have to be very careful.

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Old 02-25-2020, 09:53 AM
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Not true. They have won quite a few and were able to get an agreement on others that were then dropped which you could surmise to mean something. But outright losing a case is few and far between.

As for probation, legacy carriers practice the same. Or at least pilots I have run into who left during probation said it was the company's fault. On probation you have to be very careful.

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Ehh, I have called in sick and fatigued on probation as needed. Don't be crappy about it and you will be fine if the company culture doesn't suck.
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Old 02-25-2020, 11:01 AM
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Ehh, I have called in sick and fatigued on probation as needed. Don't be crappy about it and you will be fine if the company culture doesn't suck.
I have a friend that was on probation at American and he had called in sick a few times on probation and got a call from the Chief Pilot over it. Nothing happened but to say he wasn't very concerned is an understatement.

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Old 02-25-2020, 11:13 AM
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I have a friend that was on probation at American and he had called in sick a few times on probation and got a call from the Chief Pilot over it. Nothing happened but to say he wasn't very concerned is an understatement.

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I can tell you being involved with ALPA, that all he did was merely show red on an Excel spreadsheet which triggers a call. Every airline has their threshold and if you trigger it at my airline, you simply get a required phone call from the CP as its s required, nothing more.

Now if you sick out, then post on FB about how you are at a baseball game drunk, that's a different story.


For any company to expect you to not get sick for an entire year, or fatigue if something happens, is completely unrealistic.
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Old 02-25-2020, 11:29 AM
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I can tell you being involved with ALPA, that all he did was merely show red on an Excel spreadsheet which triggers a call. Every airline has their threshold and if you trigger it at my airline, you simply get a required phone call from the CP as its s required, nothing more.

Now if you sick out, then post on FB about how you are at a baseball game drunk, that's a different story.


For any company to expect you to not get sick for an entire year, or fatigue if something happens, is completely unrealistic.
The bold part in MinRest's post is what every new hire at every company needs to understand. You are on probation, don't stick out and you will skate through probation. Wether it is right or wrong, people that stick out tend to have people taking a closer look at them to decide "is this somebody we want to employ for 10,20,30 years?"
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Old 02-25-2020, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MWilliams View Post
The bold part in MinRest's post is what every new hire at every company needs to understand. You are on probation, don't stick out and you will skate through probation. Wether it is right or wrong, people that stick out tend to have people taking a closer look at them to decide "is this somebody we want to employ for 10,20,30 years?"
I think that is bad advice. You are a professional pilot, It is YOUR job to self check and make sure you are fit to fly. DO NOT GO TO WORK IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO PERFORM YOUR JOB. If you have to be worried about your career because you are dying at home and don't want to call out sick, don't work there.
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