DarkSideMoon

First year pay at PS is 32k.

HwkrPlt

But how much multi time did you have?

I don't regret my 5+ years at Planesense at all, the training was great and I was never a better stick and rudder, and instrument pilot than I was when I left there. I flew with some great people, saw some amazing things, and was thankful to survive the "lost decade" without losing my job. I wish I could have moved up to being a training captain and a check airman, but because I didn't have my CFI, I couldn't.

But thankfully I had some multi time before I started there, if I didn't, I would be way behind in my career from where I am now. There are people stuck there now with 6000 hours, but 50 hours of multi time. They can't move into another job unless they take a big step back in pay and QOL. Every person that I know that has left PS and moved on to much bigger and better things came into the job with multi time.

And to "dera" who says its better to work for PS cause you won't sit around like at a 135 jet job, I spent more time rotting in FBO's and the Planesense hangar than I ever did at the 135 jet jobs I had. I never landed after a trip and sat at the FBO till our duty time ran out "just in case something comes up" at the 135 jobs I had, but I did that more times than I could remember at Planesense.

dera

Ok, that sucks at PS then. Our PC12 operator needs flight ops approval for standby at FBO (which never happens), and we can be released from any standby duty after 10hrs, unless charter sales are actively working to sell a trip.
As an FO, I was on track to make just over $50k, I upgaded after 6 months and will now pretty comfortably hit $80k. And I've been flying around 90hrs a month on average.
I changed my base so I fly a little bit less, around 60 a month, but I'm now living at home, I fly 3 days a week (1 standby day), I'm home every night. Can't beat this.

BravoPapa

Sweet. Can't beat that.

JMO127

I agree 100%. I'll take my 80-90hrs a month PIC turbine any day. It's not a dead end holding pattern of a job.

GulfstreamBro

*80-90 hours SE Turbine PIC on a single pilot rated airplane aka glorified arrow*

ZippyNH

+1
In a very tight job market, people move on and up...
But when things are more normal, folks get stuck going to a regional...
Ask the guys that left before things got super tight And went to fly SABBS in Boston for PennAir.
Remember, Don't take a job you wouldn't be ok with staying at for a long time if something suddenly changes in the overall job outlook.
Many people lived through the forced UNPAID OVERTIME AT PLANESENSE, AKA "Donation days") still have the letter on company overhead saying it was REQUIRED, AND REFUSED to return it when asked) for the year or two that was in effect, just like the pay freeze, pay reduction, and loss of the 7-7 schedule....
Did I mention some of us who refused to work UNPAID were walked to the door after the company found other reasons?!
Ethically challenged, at least under the old middle management...
But the top is still the same.

Toonces

If you’re listening to advice from
Zippy, keep in mind his experience at PS is 7 years+ removed from current reality.


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ZippyNH

I really hope things have changed lots...some aspects have, but still, anybody making a choice should have their eyes wide open.
No company is perfect, some you must deal with unions and contracts, others with an individual owner/pilot.
Frankly it sounds like there has been some give and take at PS...for one I NEVER sat at an FBO....we were sent to a hotel upon arrival, or a couple hours...
Sure, waited in many FBO,s, but for scheduled trips.
For the right person with the right outlook, PS is a good option. The right option for the typical reader on a site focused on people who are trying to get to an airline ASAP, maybe not.

Just want people to be realistic in doing any job, cause if a person is hired, then finds it's not for them, the employee and the employer BOTH loose out.

Was flying a PC-12 a blast, yes, new and nearly new planes, with occasional grass strip in a turboprop, and a wide variety of airports and trips! Did I enjoy most of my time at PS? Sure. Was there a level of BS that gradually grew as the company grew? Yup.
Just want anybody making a choice to weight their options careful.

Toonces

Nice analysis then Zippy. Yup, PS isn’t perfect and what company is. I’ve said it before - I enjoyed my time there. A lot of people there work hard to make it enjoyable.


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