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Old 08-04-2020, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tanker View Post
The reason the FOs don't fly the passenger legs is because of a directive we got from our POI. So to answer your question you are going to have to ask the FAA. As for safety briefs that is done by the PIC because the PIC is the last to board, so after the door is closed the PIC will do the face to face brief.
This must be new, I was there for over 10 years and it was not uncommon for FOs to fly legs. I guess things have changed. I hear it's a different crowd there now.
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Old 08-05-2020, 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by avi8tor614 View Post
This must be new, I was there for over 10 years and it was not uncommon for FOs to fly legs. I guess things have changed. I hear it's a different crowd there now.
Yes it was a recent change but it didn't come from management it came from the POI who used his FAA authority to make it happen
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Old 08-05-2020, 08:40 AM
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Yes it was a recent change but it didn't come from management it came from the POI who used his FAA authority to make it happen
I would be fascinated to hear the reasoning from him. It would make for a compelling LOI.
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Old 08-06-2020, 01:58 AM
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His reasoning is that the annual FO checkride is not an IPC so he says that FOs aren't current to fly passengers under IFR onl VFR. Yes that is crazy reasoning and against everything that I've done previously in my aviation career but he has the power of the FAA behind hom.
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Old 08-06-2020, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by tanker View Post
His reasoning is that the annual FO checkride is not an IPC so he says that FOs aren't current to fly passengers under IFR onl VFR. Yes that is crazy reasoning and against everything that I've done previously in my aviation career but he has the power of the FAA behind hom.
The checkride is ok, it's the 6 month RFT done by an IP, and not a check airman (i.e. not a checkride) which doesn't count as an IPC per 135.297. it's the old acting vs sole manipulator PIC grey area in our operation. FOs can still fly empty legs IFR & VFR, and passenger legs VFR.

This is such a non issue here. FOs still fly as much as captains, they can upgrade quick, it's a non issue.

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Old 08-11-2020, 09:49 AM
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The checkride is ok, it's the 6 month RFT done by an IP, and not a check airman (i.e. not a checkride) which doesn't count as an IPC per 135.297. it's the old acting vs sole manipulator PIC grey area in our operation. FOs can still fly empty legs IFR & VFR, and passenger legs VFR.

This is such a non issue here. FOs still fly as much as captains, they can upgrade quick, it's a non issue.

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Is initial training still at Flight Safety? Is there an FO on every flight?
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Old 08-11-2020, 10:34 AM
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Is initial training still at Flight Safety? Is there an FO on every flight?
Training is in house, with some sim lessons and the checkride at flight safety. Covid might alter this from time to time. Before you ask, I don't know.

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Old 08-11-2020, 10:45 AM
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Training is in house, with some sim lessons and the checkride at flight safety. Covid might alter this from time to time. Before you ask, I don't know.

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Got it, thanks!
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Old 08-11-2020, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PhxJester View Post
Is initial training still at Flight Safety? Is there an FO on every flight?
They restarted the DFW sim sessions in May. Every flight has 2 pilots. Sometimes it’s 2 Captains but mostly it will be a Captain and a FO.
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Old 08-13-2020, 07:36 AM
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They restarted the DFW sim sessions in May. Every flight has 2 pilots. Sometimes it’s 2 Captains but mostly it will be a Captain and a FO.
I appreciate the info, I received an email saying my docs were going to the Chief Pilot. Fingers Crossed.
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