XOJET Hiring/Pay Announcements
06-23-2021, 01:17 PM
#11
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XO Jet Insults Continue:
After applying for a pilot job (with more than enough qualifications) with XO, I get this in my email inbox today:
Really? I'll put this with the other offer to work in IT.
I have put in for jobs at other places, but the solicitations I get from this company are the most asinine and inappropriate. Most over they are insulting. This one takes the cake.
After applying for a pilot job (with more than enough qualifications) with XO, I get this in my email inbox today:
Really? I'll put this with the other offer to work in IT.
I have put in for jobs at other places, but the solicitations I get from this company are the most asinine and inappropriate. Most over they are insulting. This one takes the cake.
Last edited by Diesel8; 06-23-2021 at 01:32 PM.
06-25-2021, 04:04 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by Diesel8
XO Jet Insults Continue:
After applying for a pilot job (with more than enough qualifications) with XO, I get this in my email inbox today:
Really? I'll put this with the other offer to work in IT.
I have put in for jobs at other places, but the solicitations I get from this company are the most asinine and inappropriate. Most over they are insulting. This one takes the cake.
After applying for a pilot job (with more than enough qualifications) with XO, I get this in my email inbox today:
Really? I'll put this with the other offer to work in IT.
I have put in for jobs at other places, but the solicitations I get from this company are the most asinine and inappropriate. Most over they are insulting. This one takes the cake.
06-25-2021, 07:48 AM
#13
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Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: DO, Baker Aviation, Citation X
Posts: 316
Originally Posted by Diesel8
XO Jet Insults Continue:
After applying for a pilot job (with more than enough qualifications) with XO, I get this in my email inbox today:
Really? I'll put this with the other offer to work in IT.
I have put in for jobs at other places, but the solicitations I get from this company are the most asinine and inappropriate. Most over they are insulting. This one takes the cake.
After applying for a pilot job (with more than enough qualifications) with XO, I get this in my email inbox today:
Really? I'll put this with the other offer to work in IT.
I have put in for jobs at other places, but the solicitations I get from this company are the most asinine and inappropriate. Most over they are insulting. This one takes the cake.
sorry you weren’t selected for an interview. I can understand your disappointment and frustration with getting an unsolicited job invite in an area you have no interest in.
I spoke to HR and they mentioned the cause of this could possibly be due to an option within the app that asks “Do you wish to be notified of other XOJET job openings?”
That is not uncommon on apps but in this case you may have thought clicking the link would send you other “pilot” job openings when in fact clicking the block indicating yes would send you other job openings besides new pilot openings within XO.
Regardless, HR appreciates you bringing this matter up and is looking into possibly rewording this part of the app to avoid confusion for others.
Good luck in your pursuit of the ideal job for you.
06-25-2021, 07:52 AM
#14
XOJET Citation X
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Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: DO, Baker Aviation, Citation X
Posts: 316
Originally Posted by Diesel8
XO Jet Insults Continue:
After applying for a pilot job (with more than enough qualifications) with XO, I get this in my email inbox today:
Really? I'll put this with the other offer to work in IT.
I have put in for jobs at other places, but the solicitations I get from this company are the most asinine and inappropriate. Most over they are insulting. This one takes the cake.
After applying for a pilot job (with more than enough qualifications) with XO, I get this in my email inbox today:
Really? I'll put this with the other offer to work in IT.
I have put in for jobs at other places, but the solicitations I get from this company are the most asinine and inappropriate. Most over they are insulting. This one takes the cake.
sorry you weren’t selected for an interview. I can understand your disappointment and frustration with getting an unsolicited job invite in an area you have no interest in.
I spoke to HR and they mentioned the cause of this could possibly be due to an option within the app that asks “Do you wish to be notified of other XOJET job openings?”
That is not uncommon on apps but in this case you may have thought clicking the link would send you other “pilot” job openings when in fact clicking the block indicating yes would send you other job openings besides new pilot openings within XO.
Regardless, HR appreciates you bringing this matter up and is looking into possibly rewording this part of the app to avoid confusion for others.
There is also a block at the bottom of the email you received that allows you to unsubscribe from all emails from XOJET. If you are getting those annoying emails just click on that link and that should solve the problem also.
Good luck in your pursuit of the ideal job for you.
06-27-2021, 03:37 PM
#16
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Position: B737 Driver
Posts: 122
Originally Posted by chase
Sorry for the double post
The whole thing is pretty crappy. Come on, seriously? Are you not the least bit embarrassed? I would be for gosh sakes! There are no excuses for that at all.
06-27-2021, 07:18 PM
#17
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Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: DO, Baker Aviation, Citation X
Posts: 316
Originally Posted by Sa227capt
The whole thing is pretty crappy. Come on, seriously? Are you not the least bit embarrassed? I would be for gosh sakes! There are no excuses for that at all.
I have received (as we all do) unsolicited emails from companies that we may have contacted.I’ve checked boxes that generates some of these and have simply unsubscribed.
XO has many different SIC positions being advertised right now. I shared what HR states was a possible/probable explanation. Neither you nor I have 100% certainty what HR described isn’t plausible. Regardless “unsubscribing” is the simplest response and fixes the problem.
Your willingness to throw HR folks or XO under the bus so quickly is your choice, not mine but that speaks to the differences between the two of us.
As far as being “embarrassed”? Really? I guess your “embarrassed” light comes on much faster than mine.
There are many things my company could embarrass me over...an email to a pilot for a non pilot job doesn’t really rate but I’m obviously not as sensitive as you, just a crusty old fighter pilot 😉
As I told the poster it was unfortunate and unintentional and I wished him/her good luck.
If someone chooses to not apply to XO for this reason then it is probably best for all parties to not apply. Just my opinion my friend.
06-27-2021, 08:40 PM
#18
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: B737 Driver
Posts: 122
Originally Posted by chase
SA
I have received (as we all do) unsolicited emails from companies that we may have contacted.I’ve checked boxes that generates some of these and have simply unsubscribed.
XO has many different SIC positions being advertised right now. I shared what HR states was a possible/probable explanation. Neither you nor I have 100% certainty what HR described isn’t plausible. Regardless “unsubscribing” is the simplest response and fixes the problem.
Your willingness to throw HR folks or XO under the bus so quickly is your choice, not mine but that speaks to the differences between the two of us.
As far as being “embarrassed”? Really? I guess your “embarrassed” light comes on much faster than mine.
There are many things my company could embarrass me over...an email to a pilot for a non pilot job doesn’t really rate but I’m obviously not as sensitive as you, just a crusty old fighter pilot 😉
As I told the poster it was unfortunate and unintentional and I wished him/her good luck.
If someone chooses to not apply to XO for this reason then it is probably best for all parties to not apply. Just my opinion my friend.
I have received (as we all do) unsolicited emails from companies that we may have contacted.I’ve checked boxes that generates some of these and have simply unsubscribed.
XO has many different SIC positions being advertised right now. I shared what HR states was a possible/probable explanation. Neither you nor I have 100% certainty what HR described isn’t plausible. Regardless “unsubscribing” is the simplest response and fixes the problem.
Your willingness to throw HR folks or XO under the bus so quickly is your choice, not mine but that speaks to the differences between the two of us.
As far as being “embarrassed”? Really? I guess your “embarrassed” light comes on much faster than mine.
There are many things my company could embarrass me over...an email to a pilot for a non pilot job doesn’t really rate but I’m obviously not as sensitive as you, just a crusty old fighter pilot 😉
As I told the poster it was unfortunate and unintentional and I wished him/her good luck.
If someone chooses to not apply to XO for this reason then it is probably best for all parties to not apply. Just my opinion my friend.
And now the insults Chase…. Read your post. First off, I loved working at Xojet. However, that being said, I was never a mouthpiece for management nor a Kool-aide drinker. I gave praise and assisted as well where I could. I also gave negative feedback when it was warranted. This is apparently something you are incapable of. Nothing is always sunshine and roses, except for you maybe.
I know many airline pilots that found a home at Xojet and they where highly respected and worked for the betterment of others. As I did, they give praise where it is warranted and negative feedback where it was necessary. They also volunteered as many of us did to better the life of all crews at Xojet.
You can take my thoughts as you wish. However it is our actions that define us. I, as many others did, worked hard for our peers. We did not paint the sunshine and roses line that you constantly portray. When it was warranted we most definitely did.
The poster should feel angst. I am pretty sure he/she did not apply for a hostess position. That is embarrassing.
06-28-2021, 07:32 AM
#19
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SA…my replies in red. Have a good day sir/ma’am.
Originally Posted by Sa227capt
And now the insults Chase…Where did I “insult” you sir/ma’am? .
Read your post. I think I did…I wrote it but I did read it again as requested.
First off, I loved working at Xojet.We have that in common. That’s clear when reading your posts dating back to 2011. In fact the tenor and tone of many of your posts sound similar to mine when idescribing the different policies at the time…”support of Crew resources when it comes to transitions on and off a trip”…a bone of contention still but since you had first hand experience with them, I thought the comments were based upon actual experience versus what persons on the outside were say. I too was stating info from the sources.not assumptions of why something might have happened.
However, that being said, I was never a mouthpiece for management nor a Kool-aide drinker. We have that in common also. Some of your previous posts from your time here could be taken that way by some but I didn’t read them that way. I’ve shared my concerns on the XOJET FB page (Hangar and RT).
I gave praise and assisted as well where I could. Again, we have that in common…not seeing where we differ in our approach to our work environment.
I also gave negative feedback when it was warranted. I have too to the RT members and to DO/CPO. Those are the people who can make changes.
This is apparently something you are incapable of. Sorry sir/ma’am, you are making an assumption that is based upon incomplete information unless you have access to the emails I’ve sent, my text messages, phone calls, etc. I’ve been critical of the B scale (like all of the XO pilots) with the CPO/DO and leadership to return to former pay scales.
Nothing is always sunshine and roses, except for you maybe. I agree with the first part of your sentence, not the second but apparently you think you know more about me than you do…not the first person to make that error. PM me if you wish to chat further or exchange phone number to talk..mine is posted on different XO threads.
I know many airline pilots that found a home at Xojet (still do, like myself and I’m thankful to the folks who are here who helped build the great culture and those, like yourself, who came before but have left to go on to seek career goals….it isn’t easy so thank you and to all former XOers who have worked at XO)
and they where highly respected and worked for the betterment of others. As I did, they give praise where it is warranted and negative feedback where it was necessary.
They also volunteered as many of us did to better the life of all crews at Xojet. I see the same thing among my fellow XOers now..that hasn’t changed. Thanks for volunteering..I did so at SWA/SWAPA in several capacities and always found it rewarding…got more out of it than I put into it I found. Since you mentioned your volunteering, I too am fortunate to be at a place in my life where I can volunteer and do so on several unpaid committees and which is where changes/differences can be made. I use my energy to get changes done in that matter. I and others choose to affect change in ways other than venting on a public forum but if folks wish too, to each their own. I know it maybe shocking to some there is another perspective than a “pilot’s” but there are multiple sides to a forum story, I merely was bringing another explanation to what was posted. You chose it to belittle XO folks who are working hard to find the best folks for jobs and I chose to share their side of the story…are they perfect, no but they are working hard, like we all are, even if believe they are not. if that makes me a “kool-aid drinker”, “guilty as charged”…some persons might just say it is providing an alternative explanation. Thanks for the additional adjectives I can use for my resume
I’ll just assume your resume says professional pilot and will respect you with that title.
You can take my thoughts as you wish. However it is our actions that define us. Sir/Ma’am, you are right about that. None of us are perfect, certainly me but I’m blessed to have been helped by so many people along the way that returning that favor seems the right thing to do. Sharing my thoughts with others about XO and when I was with SWA was part of that “paying it forward”. Over the years I’ve had many tell me the comments were helpful and appreciated. You haven’t found them to be that way and that is fine. So yes, I’ll let my actions speak for themselves.
I, as many others did, worked hard for our peers. I’ll say thanks again.
We did not paint the sunshine and roses line that you constantly portray. When it was warranted we most definitely did. So do the current XO pilots including myself, that’s one of the reasons why changes were implemented just as they were when you were here.
The poster should feel angst. I rarely tell someone how they should “feel” but if you “feel” that works for you, go for it.
I am pretty sure he/she did not apply for a hostess position. I think the horse is not going to get up this time but maybe I’m wrong.
That is embarrassing. Sorry you “feel” embarrassed. Hope you can get over it soon…good luck.
Read your post. I think I did…I wrote it but I did read it again as requested.
First off, I loved working at Xojet.We have that in common. That’s clear when reading your posts dating back to 2011. In fact the tenor and tone of many of your posts sound similar to mine when idescribing the different policies at the time…”support of Crew resources when it comes to transitions on and off a trip”…a bone of contention still but since you had first hand experience with them, I thought the comments were based upon actual experience versus what persons on the outside were say. I too was stating info from the sources.not assumptions of why something might have happened.
However, that being said, I was never a mouthpiece for management nor a Kool-aide drinker. We have that in common also. Some of your previous posts from your time here could be taken that way by some but I didn’t read them that way. I’ve shared my concerns on the XOJET FB page (Hangar and RT).
I gave praise and assisted as well where I could. Again, we have that in common…not seeing where we differ in our approach to our work environment.
I also gave negative feedback when it was warranted. I have too to the RT members and to DO/CPO. Those are the people who can make changes.
This is apparently something you are incapable of. Sorry sir/ma’am, you are making an assumption that is based upon incomplete information unless you have access to the emails I’ve sent, my text messages, phone calls, etc. I’ve been critical of the B scale (like all of the XO pilots) with the CPO/DO and leadership to return to former pay scales.
Nothing is always sunshine and roses, except for you maybe. I agree with the first part of your sentence, not the second but apparently you think you know more about me than you do…not the first person to make that error. PM me if you wish to chat further or exchange phone number to talk..mine is posted on different XO threads.
I know many airline pilots that found a home at Xojet (still do, like myself and I’m thankful to the folks who are here who helped build the great culture and those, like yourself, who came before but have left to go on to seek career goals….it isn’t easy so thank you and to all former XOers who have worked at XO)
and they where highly respected and worked for the betterment of others. As I did, they give praise where it is warranted and negative feedback where it was necessary.
They also volunteered as many of us did to better the life of all crews at Xojet. I see the same thing among my fellow XOers now..that hasn’t changed. Thanks for volunteering..I did so at SWA/SWAPA in several capacities and always found it rewarding…got more out of it than I put into it I found. Since you mentioned your volunteering, I too am fortunate to be at a place in my life where I can volunteer and do so on several unpaid committees and which is where changes/differences can be made. I use my energy to get changes done in that matter. I and others choose to affect change in ways other than venting on a public forum but if folks wish too, to each their own. I know it maybe shocking to some there is another perspective than a “pilot’s” but there are multiple sides to a forum story, I merely was bringing another explanation to what was posted. You chose it to belittle XO folks who are working hard to find the best folks for jobs and I chose to share their side of the story…are they perfect, no but they are working hard, like we all are, even if believe they are not. if that makes me a “kool-aid drinker”, “guilty as charged”…some persons might just say it is providing an alternative explanation. Thanks for the additional adjectives I can use for my resume
I’ll just assume your resume says professional pilot and will respect you with that title. You can take my thoughts as you wish. However it is our actions that define us. Sir/Ma’am, you are right about that. None of us are perfect, certainly me but I’m blessed to have been helped by so many people along the way that returning that favor seems the right thing to do. Sharing my thoughts with others about XO and when I was with SWA was part of that “paying it forward”. Over the years I’ve had many tell me the comments were helpful and appreciated. You haven’t found them to be that way and that is fine. So yes, I’ll let my actions speak for themselves.
I, as many others did, worked hard for our peers. I’ll say thanks again.
We did not paint the sunshine and roses line that you constantly portray. When it was warranted we most definitely did. So do the current XO pilots including myself, that’s one of the reasons why changes were implemented just as they were when you were here.
The poster should feel angst. I rarely tell someone how they should “feel” but if you “feel” that works for you, go for it.
I am pretty sure he/she did not apply for a hostess position. I think the horse is not going to get up this time but maybe I’m wrong.
That is embarrassing. Sorry you “feel” embarrassed. Hope you can get over it soon…good luck.
06-28-2021, 09:33 AM
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I think the following are reasonable:
1. If someone applies for a company, he/she thinks that company has some redeeming qualities as an employer. Otherwise why apply?
2. Recruiters want to attract good talent in all of their positions. Some of the best talent may not even think of applying for a new job until a friend says “hey this would be a good move for you”
3. A TBNT letter doesn’t always mean “never” it just means not right now. Someone could have been number 6 in a decision that picked the top 5. No need to be offended, just move on or reapply.
Is it unreasonable for a recruiting software program to send out job postings with the hopes that someone who expressed an interest in the company might share it with their network?
I think that is reasonable considering it is offered as an option during the application process.
I’m a pilot, but if I knew an IT specialist with a desire to live in Fort Lauderdale, I would definitely send them a job advertisement from my email inbox.
If hired, that person might even be able to get me in the door down the road if I was still looking.
I just don’t see how it is insulting or embarrassing. When I get upset about something, I take a deep breath and try to see it from another perspective. This solves a lot of perceived problems.
To everyone out there looking, good luck on the job search, the tide is turning in your favor.
1. If someone applies for a company, he/she thinks that company has some redeeming qualities as an employer. Otherwise why apply?
2. Recruiters want to attract good talent in all of their positions. Some of the best talent may not even think of applying for a new job until a friend says “hey this would be a good move for you”
3. A TBNT letter doesn’t always mean “never” it just means not right now. Someone could have been number 6 in a decision that picked the top 5. No need to be offended, just move on or reapply.
Is it unreasonable for a recruiting software program to send out job postings with the hopes that someone who expressed an interest in the company might share it with their network?
I think that is reasonable considering it is offered as an option during the application process.
I’m a pilot, but if I knew an IT specialist with a desire to live in Fort Lauderdale, I would definitely send them a job advertisement from my email inbox.
If hired, that person might even be able to get me in the door down the road if I was still looking.
I just don’t see how it is insulting or embarrassing. When I get upset about something, I take a deep breath and try to see it from another perspective. This solves a lot of perceived problems.
To everyone out there looking, good luck on the job search, the tide is turning in your favor.
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