AA717driver

I get your point but nobody trains FO’s to be ready, at an instant, to jump in the CA seat and be proficient at that job. It’s an unrealistic expectation. Should I as an FO be always evaluating situations as to how I would handle it if I were CA? Absolutely! But, no matter how much war gaming and (in your head) second guessing the CA’s decisions you do, you will not be ready for that very first day as PIC.

When everyone is turning to look at YOU for a decision, it’s daunting the first time.

As for knowing my FO’s job, I do know pretty much what I’m going to hear from him but could I jump over there and do it flawlessly? Hell no. It’s not my job. Can either of us jump in the other seat and “get out of town” if the world is on fire? Of course. But, unless your company has a “everyone is a Captain” policy (my 91 department was all CA qualified so we swapped seats and legs so we DID have to know the flows and responsibilities for both seats.). I don’t expect my FO’s to be proficient at my job and vice versa.

Your post is good guidance for low time FO’s who are just learning the crew environment, however.

TC

Crockrocket95

Technically we are getting a PIC type, so while most of the maneuvers are flown from the right seat, we have to do a left seat CAT IIIA approach, landing, and rejected takeoff. For us at least.

Simboss

I am someone who give check rides for XO. I don’t know where the check ride failure rate of 40% came from but I know it is nowhere close to that. I have had to retrain some things but failures are not sky high. As for failed upgrades, I don’t know the failure rate of those. The only part of our upgrade process that is an FAA “jeopardy event” is the .299 Line Check. Our Captain Review Board is an in house evaluation. The standards are high on CRB’s because of the amount of responsibility that goes with upgrading.

ak68W

The in house training program that got spun up at CAE DFW, was much better than the outsourced training we had. It was in fact, the only department that worked correctly in the past two years. It was more company specific, and more consistent, and I felt like I got way more out of it. The check rides were basically the same, and nothing hard. Coming through as a new hire you would be better prepared with the in house VS. the outsourced we had. Hell, at least you got a real oral with the company training. I know some of the reasons people have failed checkrides (it’s not 40% btw, or even 20%) and they were given every chance to pass the basic simple maneuvers that are completed on these types of checkrides. I think vista is in the process of gutting the in house training anyways as they perceive it as an additional expense even though it saves them money and promotes increased safety.

Guard

just got an email from an old buddy that all training department people were fired at XOJET after 50% upgrade failures and lots of people jumping ship and new management pilots were being installed, this comes with an email from FlexJet saying they are giving preferential interviews to all Netjet and XOJET current and former pilots, $35K pay raise to the $100k starting pay if you have a 350 type? At a major now but best of luck, sounds like XO of old imploded!

Guard

Sorry to hear Matt and Sky got fired for the ****ty training department
​​​​​​,Jay is a Solid new DO, he’s a legend for ass kicking at United! Visit and Mr book are cleaning house it sounds like!

Learflyer2

There couldn’t BE any more lies in this post! Listen. Xojet is now a stuttering clusterfark, I do admit, but that failure rate is BS!

Learflyer2

Again. More twisting of the truth. Skye left way before the in house training was up and running, and Matt left for the airlines. Sheesh! I hate the internet.

Peabody17

This is in no way a reference to any of the potential falsehoods in previous posts, but I’m so sad to see what’s happening to XOJET. I really enjoyed my time there and all the folks I interacted with! It was a rockstar of an outfit. I hope those who have left have all found a wonderful place to land!!!

ak68W

All incorrect. In fact we’ve had people told by flexjet that they won’t hire them due to some sort of agreement with vista. 50% upgrade failure is total BS, but we do have a lot of people leaving due to the declining culture imposed by management.