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05-27-2022, 06:49 AM

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Crockrocket95

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Originally Posted by jtf560

How does sick or PTO time work at AA? Do you get more with seniority like with vacation time? Can you bid to use it as PTO? Just curious if this is another plot of green grass at the majors. At NetJets we all get 12 PTO days a year in the sick/ PTO bank. We can cash unused out at the end of the year or bank up to 75 I believe. We can use up 12 per year as PTO days, but we have to bid for them and don't know until the month before at the earliest. The company can also charge more than one PTO day for a day off if it is a busy day for the company.

Cant speak for AA but at WN you accrue 10 percent of your monthly earned straight credit into a "sick bank" aka, whatever bank. Maxes out at 1600 TFP(1392 hours) but you can use it whenever you want. No advance notice or bidding required. An average 2 day is about 14 TFP and a 3 day is about 20 TFP so there's that. You cannot cash it out if you leave or retire...

05-27-2022, 08:03 AM

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hawkerpilot05

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Originally Posted by AA717driver

AA max vacation is 5 weeks. 16% contribution and no help getting to work. Grass is always greener.

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UAL gas 6 weeks, but 5 is still better then 4. We have no DC and I would take a 30 plus year DC over our 401K match. Besides, if the UAL TA raises it to 19%, AA will be next and I wouldn't be surprised other contract items too. The Legacy carriers can boot strap off each other.

At NetJets, we get compared to Wheels Up, FlexJet, and other 135 carriers by the mediators in past bargaining. It most likely will always be the case. The only way it will get better for us if new hires leave for the Legacy carriers but that isn't happening yet and this company is extremely slow to react to anything. Talking years.

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05-27-2022, 11:40 AM

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How does sick or PTO time work at AA? Do you get more with seniority like with vacation time? Can you bid to use it as PTO?.

Everyone gets 60 hours per year, and it rolls over from one year to the next. It's not *supposed* to be used as PTO, but it's generally used as such at AA without worrying about getting called out on it.

05-27-2022, 02:34 PM

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jtf560

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Originally Posted by biigD

Thanks for the answer. NetJets actively monitors for sick day "abuse". If you call in directly before or after a vacation, that is pretty much an automatic carpet dance now. The union has warned us that they actively look for "patterns" and the vacation thing was the biggest pattern.

05-27-2022, 03:28 PM

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hawkerpilot05

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That is true but we do a have a PTO bid for days off and it works pretty good. For example, you could PTO over this Memorial Day weekend. Plenty of days available. The issue more deals with them unable to cover last minute sick calls, hence why the really want you to bid it off under PTO. This can't be used last minute unfortunately without incurring a higher burn rate.

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05-28-2022, 06:00 AM

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AA717driver

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No PTO. Rarely, you can drop a trip for vacation. But, I haven’t been able to do that since last year. Even turns and 2-days are getting tough to drop.

If you really need off, call in sick. Sad but true. Now, even EO (family emergency) has to be a legitimate “my kid is in the ER” reason. No house closings or I need to take my dad to the doctor reasons cut it.

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05-28-2022, 08:47 AM

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jtf560

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That sucks. Sounds like most companies are stretched to the limits by demand and that at least some are clamping down on any absences any way they can to keep the wheels from falling off. I don't see it getting any better this summer.

05-29-2022, 04:01 PM

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If you try hard, you can drop your schedule down to zero at AA. Not easy but many do it, not super either. You can bank (instead of bidding a date off) vacation days to get paid for dropped trips, (which are mainly days trip and weekday 2 days as of late)