kcdriver

I’ve been following this thread with a lot of interest.

I’m coming off of long term military orders this fall. I live in a moderately commutable mid-size city with ample connections to DTW and NYC. I have offers with ULCC/LCCs that would require commutes to either of these domiciles. Due to my Air National Guard obligations, moving really isn’t in the cards for me. With the 7/7 schedule, essentially working 14 days/month, would it be “six and one half dozen of another” working at NetJets being home-based versus commuting to a domicile? Factoring in working 14-16 days per month at LCC/ULCC and possibly commuting the day prior or after a trip, would anyone care to offer their take on quality of life in this situation? I like money just as much as the next guy, but I like quality of life a whole lot more.

Thanks!

JTwift

I’d argue that going to the airlines would actually be better because you can strategically drop mil orders and get some “artificial seniority”, for lack of a better term.

the only thing seniority at a fractional gets you is choice of days off. You’re still going to do 12-14 hour days, min rest, clean, etc… there’s just no getting away from it.

seniority in the airlines gets you days off, trip choice, etc…

jtf560

This will always be my biggest issue with the fracs. Every day won't be min rest, but you will have almost zero control over your day to day quality of life. Cleaning and restocking an airplane and dealing with passengers isn't bad at all, but a bunch of long duty days with short overnights just starts to suck the life out of you. The fracs will be 5 day trips at minimum and mostly 7 days or more. The pay is designed to encourage longer trips and more days per month worked to make the good money.

I'm not planning on leaving NetJets, but if I was choosing to start there now or with an airline with a descent commute, I would definitely take the airline job. I refuse to upgrade into anything that doesn't do a lot of international at NetJets simply because the large cabin international fleets are the only ones with reasonable QOL and that is still not particularly good. I'm giving up at least 30K a year to hang on to some QOL on the road. I honestly can't imagine doing the small cabin thing for my entire career here. I did it for over a decade and was ready to bolt for the airlines until I got a taste of reasonable QOL in the large cabins. I probably won't ever be able to hold a PIC slot in them, but at least topped out SIC pay is reasonable now.

GeeWizDriver

You say po-tay-toe, I say po-tah-toe. I can't wait to get out of the GLC...at least what it has become in a dying fleet.

jtf560

I was able to choose between the G-V/450 fleet and the Global and took the Global based purely on how the fleets were being utilized. I wanted to fly the Gulfstreams, but not how NetJets was starting to operate them and getting rid of the 550s. I haven't averaged less than 16 hours off for my overnights and was averaging about 20 all last summer. The longer overnights is the key for what I consider QOL at work- time to have sit down meals, exercise, and adult beverages almost every day if desired. My average overnights in the small cabin was about 11 hours my last year in it (per the Pulse in Waypoint, not just guessing). I'm sure it is better now, but it was suck city when I was in it and I am not going back without seriously improved work rules.

MrIceCreamMan

Thank you!

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taylormade16

If you had an offer from an ACMI and NJ, what is the best route to go? Income and schedule are the most important factors.

TeamSasquatch

What’s the ACMI schedule? 16 on? 17? A lot of overnight hub turns flying subcontracted Amazon? Maybe K4 and Omni would be the exception. For me, the 7/7 is perfect. But what do you need? Time with family? Or?

taylormade16

I tend to agree. 7/7 seems perfect. I just wonder how accurate the netjets thread is of first year FO’s making 100k+ first year.

ACMI schedule is variable. Some 16-17 day blocks in a row, some week on, week off type lines.

Flyfalcons

It's accurate.