Legacy Airline vs Fractional
#231
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CFI here and invited to expo with NJA. No paid time outside of instruction. I will have a potential NJA CJO here soon and I also have CJOs from two other regionals (unfortunately not any AA WO). The type of flying NJs does is pretty attractive to me, as well as the initial pay and QOL going into a potential recession. Just wanted to get some insider info on transition to legacies if I didn't like it. Is it possible vs probable? Would it take longer than the regionals? Should I just suck it up and go to the regionals? I should note that at Regional #1 it will be a two-flight commute to work. Regional #2 would be a one flight commute but lowest pay among all regionals. I know it's a career destination and I'll treat it as such until I don't like it, if I don't like it.
Who knows, maybe I'll really like it. I don't mind being away from home and never knowing where you are going seems like an adventure.
Who knows, maybe I'll really like it. I don't mind being away from home and never knowing where you are going seems like an adventure.
#232
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Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 1,024
They dropped the bare mins to 1000 or so hours now for those that went to the university pilot factories. There have been pilots hired straight out of flight instructing lately.
#233
Biggest thing I'm looking for is stability and QOL with the potential recession. I've eliminated Endeavor since it's a two-leg commute. Any company I go to is a 1 leg commute. I have no jet time, so my eyes are set on NJA right now because better pay, stability, and increase QOL starting out. If I like it, great, if I don't sound like I still have legacies as an option. My other option is Skywest.
#234
#235
He’s a hater… but he doesn’t know why is what’s sad. Since 2017, spewing hate and vitriol about a job he took freely but simply wasn’t a good fit.
There’s no harm in that on the surface but the years spent focusing on hate of the company that simply hired him and the pilots who work there still who have made NetJets our employment home filled with work family is truly time wasted on him.
Years lost.
…As I type this from my hotel at the Hilton, on a 17 hour overnight…
MinRest is the perfect example of someone who needs structure where there is none. He needs a schedule. He needs absolute order in his life.
There is nothing wrong with that but NetJets doesn’t provide those things to pilots who must have these things in their lives while working.
Pilots who work here develop the ability to be self sufficient and free thinking problem solvers.
We have deep keels.
MinRest knows he’ll be at in LAX at 1700.
PS. We have seen some pilots (younger pilots) coming to NetJets from first and second tier airlines. NJA simply appeals to them more.
There’s no harm in that on the surface but the years spent focusing on hate of the company that simply hired him and the pilots who work there still who have made NetJets our employment home filled with work family is truly time wasted on him.
Years lost.
…As I type this from my hotel at the Hilton, on a 17 hour overnight…
MinRest is the perfect example of someone who needs structure where there is none. He needs a schedule. He needs absolute order in his life.
There is nothing wrong with that but NetJets doesn’t provide those things to pilots who must have these things in their lives while working.
Pilots who work here develop the ability to be self sufficient and free thinking problem solvers.
We have deep keels.
MinRest knows he’ll be at in LAX at 1700.
PS. We have seen some pilots (younger pilots) coming to NetJets from first and second tier airlines. NJA simply appeals to them more.
Says the guy who keeps getting kicked off the NJASAP message board for being a lunatic. Why were you kicked off this time? Complaining that you can't extend even more than you do now and that you want more money? Do they no longer let you extend 25 days a month so you can no longer come on APC and try and W2 flex? Poor guy...
NJA absolutely does NOT have pilots leaving first tier airlines to go there lol. You literally have CFI's with no turbine time getting CJOs to NJA posting IN THIS THREAD. Stop the lunacy.
#236
Wait, are you saying that you don't want the most amount of money with the most time off possible? You think people like working more for less money? Get real, people want the most time off with the most amount of money possible. Why else would you want anything else?
#237
Not everyone is wired the same way as you. Some settle for less financial gain if it means no commuting. Others may trade less time off if it means not constantly flying on the back side of the clock, which is detrimental to your health. Didn't you just post that the 7&7 schedule is roughly the same time off as a legacy? I'm amazed you slipped through the cracks during the interview process at NetJets. They're usually pretty good at filtering out the "delta bravos."
#238
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Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 1,024
How much does an average legacy 737 or 320 captain make on an average schedule? I know it isn't found just by multiplying the hourly rate by 1000 and the W2 thread on the majors board doesn't make it easy to guess anything close to an average. I'm sure it is considerably more than a NetJets captain on the 7&7, but the average on the 7&7 is now around 250K with 0 extra days. Work day for work day I'm sure the legacies blow NJA away, but those who are willing to work more than the 7&7 average really do make quite reasonable money now, though they are definitely earning it. I would have a hard time believing a captain on the 76 day schedule would make less than 300K now, even without a bunch of extended days. The pilots who crank out the extended days are making real money. I recently flew with a Global captain who was over 300K by the end of June. That is not the norm, but it is real. I would personaly go for the legacies if I was young and they are probably a better choice for the vast majority, but to pooh pooh the money that one can make at Netjets now isn't right. It is there and it is real. It just takes more work to get it.
#239
Heard from many sources too they're starting a pilot pathway program with UND too. Not sure what that means/entails however.
#240
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Joined APC: May 2006
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They are starting programs and doing all they can to get the word out about NJA at all the big schools. The amount of growth they want to do will require many thousands of pilots. I still believe they are going to have to pay way up to get enough pilots and keep them for at least a few years. They haven't given out many facts other than that they are ramping up the recruitment and that they are dropping the mins.
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